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Atlantic Crossing on small power boat ?

I am thinking of Atlantic crossing for some time in my tiny power boat, Bayliner 30 footer Aft. bridge. I am doing some changes in boat to get it ready for this trip.

1. Replacing the Gas engine with diesel cauz diesel gives more milage plus its cheap in Europe as compare to gas. 2. Adding extra fuel tanks to carry diesel fuel. 3. Installing small wind generator for extra electrical power on boat. 4. As back up source, installing 1000watts solar panels and small diesel generator. 5. Another idea of using some kind of alteration on my outboard unit to drive it with electric motor as well as engine. Havn't done the calculation yet but I am sure it is possible. With extra onboard electric power I think it is possible to use DC motor to drive the propeller shaft atleast for some time and then switch over to diesel engine. 6. Another wild idea is to add flying kite thingy to my boat for extra pull under good wind situation, here is the link if some of you is not familar with this thing: http://www.kiteship.com/id2.html 7. I've already installed small sea water to fresh water converting unit, so no worries to carry extra water. 8. Getting all the communication equipments like GPS, HF Radio bla bla.

Now the last thing .... what route ? should I use Northern route to cut down the long leg in sea like From New York to Halifax, St. John, Greenland, Iceland, Scottland and then onward.

Or should I go through southern route which most of the sailing boats normally use, like from Florida to Panamma, Ponta Delgada and Gibraltor etc.

I know it sounds like a crazy idea but hey peoples are doing it on rowing boats, why can't I do it.

I am open to suggestions from Folks, Please give me your best shot or any good advise that help me or warn me of any dangers that I should be aware off besides normal open sea encounter. Any other thing that I am over looking here in my preparation ?

What month is better ? Which route is good North or South ?

Awsome
Nov 6
2005
You say that like it's a bad thing! Charlie
Nov 7
Was that with the gas cans lashed to the hullsides Harry
Nov 6
I don't believe he ever owned that Bayliner. Why would someone living in Derby, Kansas, buy a half-day cruiser? Harry
Nov 6
I have not been near a computer for three weeks. Is it now the consensus that Skipper is indeed the original Skipper?

Eisboch

Eisboch
Nov 6
Indeed, but a nastier and more removed from reality Skipper. Several believe he has suffered a stroke and a modest personality change, and not for the better. Naturally, since he doesn't like me much, the usual scum are encouraging him.

Oh...Skipper seems into full-blown anti-Semitism now. Isn't that nice?

Harry
Nov 6
Since when did you become a BSing spinmeister? Was it about the time you started shilling for Yeaton's commercial Bayguide?

FWIW, you will find many Skipper trip reports in the archives, not just one. I no longer post them as fodder for trolls such as yourself. A case could be made that these reports would be far better for the NG than your continued vitriol.

-- Skipper

Skipper
Nov 6
Yours truly,

-- Skipper

Skipper
Nov 6
Commercial? Commercial?? Exactly what is for sale at Gene
Nov 7
And I simply don't suffer fools as gladly as I once did.

-- Skipper

Skipper
Nov 6
And not one of them a trip you took in that imaginary Bilgeliner. Harry
Nov 6
Does that mean you smile more or less when you wear your hat with the little bells? Harry
Nov 6
I believe so...at least in some reduced capacity. Don
Nov 7
Oh, I know what this is about. It's about that Jewfish story I posted a couple weeks ago. In the story, that Jewfish demanded an exorbitant amount of interest from me. Harry must think that's how they get their name? In truth, I suspect Harry would have backed off that kind of interest as well.

-- Skipper

Skipper
Nov 6
Hooo-Boy.... you are going to get on Skipper's bad side with comments like that....

See, in 1997 or so, Skipper boasted that he spent hours in "fierce seas" in 25'-30' waves in the Sea of Cortez in his highly modified 2252 Bayliner. He was with two bodies, one of which went into shock! They spent the evening at sea and all they got for their trouble was a realization of the, "importance of getting current weather information while at sea, even IF that report is in Spanish"

Pictures? Recent experiences?

Gene
Nov 6
A troll is a troll, Gene, even if that troll calls your wife with an unwelcome phone call at your home. That said, you might want to check your source for your above comments. Believe you might just find those seas were experience in a *sailboat*...and 40 years ago. Does that change the point you're trying to make? Catch a clue here, Gene, electronic communications in remote sections of the Cortez were a bit primitive in those days. You might even find posts were I described the port of San Carlos before building one was ever built there.

So, what is your point, Gene?

-- Skipper

Skipper
Nov 6
It wasn't until long after you made a fool of yourself with that b.s. tale that you tried to recover by saying it was on a sailboat.

I had no idea one could generate 25' waves in a bathtub in Derby, Kansas.

Harry
Nov 6
>So, what is your point, Gene?

My point is... this is a boating newsgroup. Talk boats. Pictures? Recent boating experiences?

If the best you can do is come here and take cheap shots at people, your best bet is to go back to cruising.... like you said you had been doing. At least THAT is boating related.....

Gene
Nov 6
Skippy's kind of cruising doesn't involve a boat, but, rather, a open top car, a warm night, and $5 hookers. Harry
Nov 6
Sorry you missed the point...yet again, Gene.

-- Skipper

Skipper
Nov 6
snip...

bad side???...as opposed to what...is there a good side?

Don
Nov 6
He meant 2.5 centimeter waves. Don
Nov 6
Since you don't seem to get it, let me make another point, while I'm at it....

You seem hypersensitized to people ridiculing you and your posts. First, a couple of definitions:

Ridiculous: (1)pathetic: inspiring scornful pity (2)absurd: incongruous;inviting ridicule (3)farcical: broadly or extravagantly humorous; resembling farce Ridicule: (1)language or behavior intended to mock or humiliate (2)derision: the act of deriding or treating with contempt (3)Words intended to belittle a person or idea and arouse contemptuous laughter (4)Words designed to arouse laughter and contempt for a person, idea, or institution. The rhetorical goal is to condemn or criticize the object by ridicule by making it seem suitable only for mockery (ie, "ridiculous"). An example of one of your posts: "I just returned from a three week, 3300 mile, trip to the Sea of Cortez with a Bayliner 2252. We had a great time, and many folks volunteered compliments about our boat. Averaging 40 MPH in normal Gulf of California seas was very comfortable and dry. Bayliners have a lot of room for their size."

"The Bayliner 2252 provides a VERY comfortable motion in these seas. Pitch and roll are present, but minimized, as they are on his boat. Bayliner does a GREAT job of designing a boat with the ability to minimize motion. His $250,000 42’ sportfisherman WILL have slightly less motion than the 22’ Bayliner. .... But, the Bayliner 2252 can go EVERYWHERE comfortably that his sportfisherman navigates while the 42 footer is limited to mostly local waters. "

....dragging a boat 3300 miles should qualify, but I'll chalk that up to my own personal opinion....

.....Averaging 40 MPH in normal Gulf of California seas .....a 22 foot pocket cruiser can go anywhere a (Hatteras) 42 foot sport fisherman can..... So, let's recap. When you *did* post boating information it tended toward the absurd.... when you were called to task for the veracity and proof of such posts, your response was to become an angry and defensive poster.... lending credence to your detractors, weakening your position, and things certainly spiraled out of control from there.

I don't think anybody is "out to get Skipper," but, 10 years later, you just can't resist poking at that hornet's nest, can you?

Gene
Nov 6
The point is, Skipper, this is STILL rec.BOATS. Gene
Nov 6
Yeah! Actually there was a happy side to Skipper in 1996-97... that era. He had a lot of pride of ownership in his Bayliner and the one trip that he posted some information about.

Trouble started when he crossed the line of believability and people started to question the veracity of his posts.....

..... he has been angry and defensive ever since. Sad, really.

Gene
Nov 6
"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

Hypocrital Liberal

John
Nov 6
Might depend on time of year. the window a smaller boat would enjoy on a northern crossing is pretty small..... maybe May/June till September/October?? Don
Nov 6
last year a fleet of nordhavn trawlers made the trip. google for magazine articles online. or go to the nordhavn website.

two suggested routes in may or june:

US to bermuda to azores to portugal

US to bahamas, hispanola, puerto rico, virgins antigue to azores to portugal. editor http://www.marineenginedigest.com

ed
Nov 6
> Harry will have a lot of those answers, but he's fishing today.

Nothin' special about today, as Krause can be found trolling 365 days a year. You'd think someone so practiced would be much better at it. That said, I doubt Mr. Jerkbait will be up to such an adventurous Challenge. Just check the archives under 'challenge'. You'll find Krause is strictly "nothin' doin'" when it come to competing against those highly modified Bayliners.

Besides, just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip. That started from a tropic port, aboard a tiny ship. The mate was a mighty sailin' man, the Skipper brave and sure. Five passengers set sail that day, for a three hour tour, a three hour tour... ... ...

The weather started getting rough, the tiny ship was Tostito tossed. If not for the courage of the fearless crew, the Minnow would be lost; the Minnow would be lost.

So this is the tale of our castaways, they're here for a long, long time. They'll have to make the best of things, it's an uphill climb. Harry and the Skipper too, will do their very best, to make the others comfortable, in this tropic island nest.

So join us here each day my friend, you're sure to get a smile. From these stranded castaways, here on Gilligan's Isle.

-- Skipper

Skipper
Nov 6
Yes. A bigger boat that doesn't say Bayliner on the side. NOYB
Nov 6
This isn't a cruise, it's a stunt.

Go back to square one. The vessel you have in mind is completely unsuited to a voyage of this distance. As you add extra fuel tanks, you will be adding a *lot* of extra weight that a 30-foot Bayliner was never designed to manage. You will completely violating the original design parameters of the boat. With your fuel tanks full, you will have about enough freeboard to safely encounter 3-inch seas.

The fact that *nobody* is likely to sell you insurance, at any premium at all, should tell you something about this plan.

You'd need to do a complete study regarding whether or not burning your limited supply of diesel in a genset to create electrical power to drive an electrical outboard makes any sense at all. It might be more efficient to simply burn the fuel in the main engine.

There are countless opportunities to go adventuring in a 30-foot Bayliner, in inland or short range near-coastal situations that the boat was designed to handle. You can have the time of your life without having to set out across the Atlantic. Why not use the boat in a reasonable manner and acquire a more suitable craft for the trans-oceanic voyage?

chuckgould.chu...
Nov 6
Is it waterproof?

Most passagemakers have the ability to completely seal the vessel to prevent sinking.

jps

jps
Nov 6
Some NG readers recognize a troll when they see it. Perhaps other, more unscrupulous NG netizens, take advantage of these trolls to advance their scurrilous NW boat shilling agendas. -- Skipper Skipper
Nov 6
Purchase a submarine - the effect will be the same. Dread
Nov 6
   

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