Sail boat collison regulations
Bill, lets make this real simple so that your little brain can absorb this.Under the official "Collision Regulations" which some people use the
misnomer "rules of the road" you will find a section os Scedual 1 (sestions
3 & 4 ) Part A-General Rule 3 called "General Definitions" (c ) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that the
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Bill, now is the time to get your brain in gear! Do you understand what
was written in the Collision Regulations, that I have provided for you, in
the above? Read it one more time! Notice that it does not mention
anything about the motor running. Notice that it is written "propelling
machinery, if fitted, is not being used." Bill, do you comprehend what
"propelling machinery" is? It is what drives the boat forward. The
propeller! Got that Bill? Do you understand it now. Get this in your
mind. A "sailboat" can have it's engine running, for many different
reasons, and not be driving the "propelling machinery" which is the clutch,
transmission, drive shaft, propeller., etc.,.. Jim C. |
Jim
Nov 10
2005
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| The motor is running. The boater can easily put it in gear. Therefore
motor boat. Are you trying to say that a "powerboat" that has his engine
off is not a powerboat? Better look futher in to boatsafe. "Jim Carter" <theboat@rogers.com> wrote in message |
Bill
Nov 11
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| So you figure the boat is a sailboat if the sails are up and the motor is
running in neutral? Bzzt! wrong. |
Bill
Nov 11
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| Motor running, power boat. How is that sailboat going to prove he did not
have the motor in gear, or that any forward motion was not from the
propeller? In other words, under your definition, the sailboat kicks the
tranny into neutral, just before he hits another boat without sails. He is
not responsible as he was a sailboat? Better not try it. |
Bill
Nov 11
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| Bill, please cite the regulation where I am wrong. Jim C. |
Jim
Nov 11
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| Good morning Bert. Yes, you are correct. A person can argue against the
laws that have been set by precedent. Almost 99.9% of the cases that are
argued against precedent are doomed to failure. If a sailing vessel has it's sails raised and his propeller is functioning
and driving the boat, then this is a power boat. No argument with that
statement. That sailor actions, as a sailing vessel, would be almost as
stupid as Bill McKee's act of trying to pass a sailing vessel at 25 MPH and
15 feet distance. Jim C. |
Jim
Nov 11
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| 15 feet might be a little close but... ....the wake that a power boat on plane produces is smaller and faster, the
sailboat gets a quick nudge when the wake hits the hull.
....the wake of a power boat pushes running a what most people assume to be
no-wake speed will bounce the sail boat around much harsher. Which wake do you want to encounter? |
Bert
Nov 11
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| It also depends on the size and displacement of the boat. A small ski type
boat is going to throw up little wake on plane compared to a 35 ft cruiser. |
P
Nov 11
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| Jim,
I thought the sailboat was a power boat if the engine was running, even if
the propeller was not engaged. |
Dr.
Nov 11
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| Maybe we should take a collection and send Bill to a Power Squadron course.
I'm sure his fellow boaters would thank us. |
Don
Nov 11
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| Nothing illegal about using the motor to assist when the wind is
low...or coming from an awkward direction and the sailor wants to make a
bit of time, as long as he realizes he is now acting as a motor boat. |
Don
Nov 11
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| Good morning Dr. Smithers. You would be incorrect in your thinking. According to Admiralty Law with
regards to the wording of the Collision Regulations, a sailing vessel
becomes a power vessel when the propulsion machinery is engaged. The
engine can be running for the vessel to be considered a sailing vessel, but
the running gear, ( shafts and props,) cannot be turning. If you will read
the sections of the Collision Regulations that I have pointed out to Bill
McKee, you will see, clearly, the definitions. Jim C. |
Jim
Nov 11
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| Bill, go back and read what is written in the Collision Regulations. I
have tried to make your feeble brain understand what is written, but you are
too dense to comprehend the regulations. Admiralty Law, in this
definition of "sailing vessel" has been set by precedence. Period! There
is no argument with set law! Did you get that Bill? If not, keep
rereading until you can comprehend. Jim C. |
Jim
Nov 11
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| There is always argument with law regardless of whether there is precedent
or "set law", whatever that means. Too many times I have seen a "sailboat" with a sail kind of half assed up
but the motor is in the water and you can see the propellor's trail and
these idiots think they are "under sail." These are the people that give the
rest of you rag merchants a bad name. |
Bert
Nov 11
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| Do you understand that when the sailboats motor is running, it is in use.
Just because it is in neutral, does not negate that it is in use. You
better do a little case law research. |
Bill
Nov 11
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