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Going RADAR!

Hi, Well, after thinking about it for several years, I'm biting the bullet and buying radar for Far Cove. I just want a Simple one that will tell me if a freighter is bearing down on me 2 miles away in the fog. So I'm getting the JRC 1000 - Steveston Marine has it for $1200.

This weekend, I'm just gonna duct-tape(?) the antenna to the dodger or something, but I'd appreciate suggestions on where to mount on a 36ft sailboat. Mast? Or separate mast on the stern? Or should I get a "radar arch" and mount my VHF antenna, GPS antenna, radar, and solar panels on it?

Also, where should I mount the display? I steer Far Cove from all over the cockpit, rarely from behind the wheel, so a pedastal mount may not be the best (maybe OK if it swivels...). And I'd have to remove it when I'm leaving the boat. Or maybe under the dodger?

Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 http://www.bcboatnet.org/

Nov 18
2005
But, is their a NEMA link to your fire control system? Bert
Nov 19
I, also, have the Furuno 1623. Previously, a thread erupted on this very subject and I became rather concerned with the associated dangers. Since mine is mounted on the hardtop, it could expose people forward of the Radar location to radiation.

I talked to the engineers at Furuno and they assured me that unless you stuck your nose to the radome for an unreasonable length of time, no harm would result. Bear in mind, however, we are talking a low power Radar like the 1623..... with big units, all bets are off. You'll be microwaved..... and the more fluid a part of the body holds, the more likely damage will occur and the more severe the damage, if any. Eyes are probably the very first to go...

With that thought in mind.... I worry more about large Radar units on other boats and ships.

Also, once you install Radar, you are obliged to use it under COLREGS Rule 7, then Rule 6. It doesn't, however, supercede the requirement for a visual lookout under Rule 5. Rule 19 implies that one should rely more heavily on Radar in regions of restricted visibility.

....."it has been held that failure to effectively use radar is a statutory violation....." http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=9th&navby=case&no=9636053

Gene
Nov 19
Eyes are really the big concern. Radar, just like a microwave oven, is very Captain
Nov 19
I've had both Furuno and Raymarine units. The Furuno was 6kw and the Raymarine is 4kw.

I seem to recall reading in one of manuals (can't remember which system) that there is a programmable blanking system whereby the beam is not pulsed whenever the transmitter arm was pointing in a particular direction, +/- a few degrees. I my case I didn't need to use this feature since both radars are mounted well above any deck area that a person might interupt the beam, but I've seen other installations where it is obvious that people are getting zapped. My brother's boat was one of them, but now he's happy he can't have any more kids.

Eisboch

Eisboch
Nov 19
Oh... muh-gawd.... gritting teeth and grabbing self in best Michael_Jackson imitation. Gene
Nov 20
JRC makes good stuff. I picked up the 1800 a while back for Cruis'n JR
Nov 18
I'd get the array up as high as possible to improve coverage, and also to keep it from washing over people in the cockpit or on deck. Some say the jury is still "out" regarding any harmful effects from exposure to radar at close range, but when it comes "in" it might be too late to do anything about past exposures. chuckgould.chu...
Nov 18
I'd get the array up as high as possible to improve coverage, and also to keep it from washing over people in the cockpit or on deck. Some say the jury is still "out" regarding any harmful effects from exposure to radar at close range, but when it comes "in" it might be too late to do anything about past exposures. chuckgould.chu...
Nov 18
The Furuno 1623 is twice the radar for about the same price. Just the better display alone is enough to put them miles apart. The antenna is a little better too. As far as temporarily mounting the unit on your dodger... DON'T! The antenna needs to be mounted high enough that it's beam will not hit you unless you are at least 8-10 feet away. Putting it on the dodger means it will be burning what's left of your eyes to a crisp. Just forget it! Wait until you have it properly mounted.

I have a tiller, so I mounted the display on a 1 foot square of Starboard that I can plunk down on the seat beside me. You also want the display close at all times because you will be needing to make adjustments on a continual basis. I have the cables coming up from inside a cockpit locker. I can move the display wherever I want it by feeding out more cable from the locker. When not in use, the display goes into the locked locker. I made a bracket that it slides into on the wall of the locker.

I mounted the antenna on an 8 foot edson post at the stern. That puts it several feet over my head. I'm not in the path of the beam until I'm halfway to the bow of the boat. Putting the antenna higher, like mounted on the mast, puts it up too high for seeing close objects. It will be looking right over them. The stern mount seems just right. I deal with fog frequently, and I also sail in heavy rain (Hey, if you don't like water, you really should find another hobby!) and at night.

I practice often during good visibility. I can sail into my harbor, find the channel, make the tight 90 degree turn between the two close rocks and make my way up the river to my slip on instruments only. Commodore Joe Redcloud©

Commodore
Nov 18
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With all due respect to Commodore Redcloud, this is not true unless you are trying to spot something 20 feet away. I have my new Furuno mounted on a mast bracket about 25 feet above the water which gives excellent range at a distance, and goes down to about 50 ft close in. I am very pleased with the overall performance.

My old boat had the radar about 10 feet above water and I always regarded range as marginal even though it had a bigger scanner than the new one.

Wayne.B
Nov 18
Thanks for the input! :)
Nov 18
One other thing: Am I correct in assuming if I have MY unit on, it shows up on other peoples radar's too? (ie don't need a radar reflector)

Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 http://www.bcboatnet.org/

Nov 18
Just attach a mounting platform to the mast and attach the radar unit to the platform.

The display should be mounted at the main helm area. All your electronics should be mounted in a central area. All displays should be removable and taken off the boat when you leave.

How do you steer the boat from "all over the cockpit, rarely behind the wheel.."???

Nov 18
That dosn't sound very safe either, to be honest. Captain
Nov 18
No, that is incorrect. Commodore Joe Redcloud Captain
Nov 18
I am! Usually I use the longer ranges for spotting storms, so then height of Captain
Nov 18
I agree with that. The vast majority of commercial fishing boats that I see are using Furuno's, and the day time visibility on mine is excellent, even in bright sunlight on the flybridge. The big crowd pleaser on mine however is the ARP function. It will track up to 10 targets simultaneously and display a speed and direction vector for each. For any one selected target you can get a data window showing target speed, course, closest point of approach (CPA), and time of CPA. Very useful running at night with seriously large shipping traffic near you, and that is when I most appreciate the longer range afforded by height. I've never tried threading my way between rocks 30 ft apart but have no difficulty resolving pairs of closely spaced channel markers at close range. Since the ARP function requires a digital heading sensor the unit has one other cool trick. It has a mode where the chart from the course plotter can be overlayed with the radar image. That function is particularly useful for quickly determining whether a radar target is a navaid or not. Wayne.B
Nov 18
   

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