Wild salmon vs farmed
Why is it a good thing to eat wild commercially caught salmon and a bad
thing to eat farmed salmon?
Here in Washington State, we spend millions to enhance streams, reverse
erosion, stop cows from peeing in creeks, etc to save dwindling stocks of
wild salmon and at the same time, conservationists tell us to eat wild fish
only! What the ^%$&?
And while I'm at it, why do people go nuts when there is a minor sewage
spill yet the city of Victoria Canada can dump 34 million gallons of
untreated sewage per DAY into the Straits of Juan de Fuca with no adverse
effects?
Gordon
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Gordon
Jan 18
2006
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| Wild fish can infect farm fish and vice versa. The feed has antibiotics
in it to protect the farmed fish. If that bothers you, then so should
commercially grown chicken, beef, and all farm crops. Remember DDT and alar?
Gordon |
Gordon
Jan 19
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| Well, duh, because we can! And besides, after all the years of our wives
telling us "harder, harder" it reminds us of sex. And it's the best of both
worlds: we think we're having sex and we get to watch tv! |
Bryan
Jan 20
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| DDT, was actually benign to humans, just screwed up the reproduction of
birds. Thin eggs. I do not like all the antibiotics and hormones in
animals. Seen the young ladies these days? When you see a 10 year old,
that is as developed as the 15 year olds of the late 1950's when I was 15,
you can see that things are not good. Alar, is a bogus answer. Sure the
wild can give disease to the farm raised, but more likely the other way.
And since farm animal byproducts are part of farm raised fish food, you get
a double dose of the hormones and other drugs. Besides I like to catch
salmon, but do not care to eat them. Plus it is an extremely dirty,
polluting business. |
Calif
Jan 20
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| ROTFLMAO! |
Calif
Jan 20
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| There you go again, trying to raise some controversial political issue.
Are you trying to make the netcops chokes? |
Harry
Jan 19
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| PCB's are stored in the fat, and farm raised salmon will have more fat, http://www.healthcastle.com/wildsalmon-farmraisedsalmon.shtml I have been buying farm raised shrimp, but am now concerned about all
farm raised fish. Damn all of you.
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Reggie
Jan 19
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| Here, unless I want to pay four million bucks a pound for "wild" shrimp, the
only option is farm-raised stuff. |
Doug
Jan 19
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| Well, admittedly, it is fun to toy with science. Some will say that since
the fish we eat are so much smaller than killer whales, they contain less
toxins, so concerns are minimal. However, we eat them regularly. So.....??? Similar reasoning here in Rochester. There are health warnings for eating
certain types & sizes of fish from Lake Ontario, and most years, the
warnings include even smaller fish because they're finding increased toxin
levels. Meanwhile, the city and some surrounding areas get their drinking
water from Lake Ontario. The water authority says not to worry because we
don't "breathe" the water, like the fish. But, we drink it and cook with it
all our lives, and it's supposed to be harmless. Yeah. OK. Downstream, in the St Lawrence River, scientists find beluga whales with
cancer. |
Doug
Jan 19
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| We're on well water. I have it tested once a year. So far, the toxic
screens have come up negative. It's a pretty deep well, about 300 feet,
and most of it is drilled through rock. |
Harry
Jan 19
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| And then there's the situation in Guaymas/San Carlos: As the daily
brilliant sunrises prove, there are compensations, including those early
morning visits from the Shrimp Man. Fresh, headless truly jumbo prawns,
right out of the sea, for less than $6 a pound. How 'bout a kilo or two?
It is best in the West. --
Skipper |
Skipper
Jan 19
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| Okay, how about one more website, obviously in support of farmed salmon.
This site has answers to all your questions, but from a farm point of view.
So who do you believe?
http://www.salmonoftheamericas.com/index.html The one thing that stands out in all the hyperbole is the difference
between EPA and FDA safe levels of pcb's. About a 10x difference. So who do you trust? Beats me.
Gordon |
Gordon
Jan 19
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| Been reading about the experiences of others again, Snipper? In NE Florida, when the shrimp were running, one could toss a cast net
for an hour or two and take home a give gallon bucket of fresh shrimp,
unpolluted by the sewage of Mexican waters. Oh, and one could snorkel
for lobster, too. How's the shrimp and lobster fishing where *you* are, in Derby, Kansas? |
Harry
Jan 19
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| The fish diseases affect the wild fish. Whirling disease from hatchery
trout has screwed up more than one lake. |
Calif
Jan 19
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| Has to do with age more than size. Longer lived, more concentrations.
halibut of 200# are almost not sellable by the commercials. To much
mercury. The buyers want the 60# and less. As to the Mercury, most is from
China and all the coal they burn. That air pollution has to go somewhere. |
Calif
Jan 19
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| I believe you're right. Farm raised salmon are *very* fatty, especially
when compared to wild salmon.
--
John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
JohnH
Jan 19
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| PS. I've noticed that the amount of fat seems to vary considerably. The
Safeway salmon is very fatty, but the Costco salmon shows much less fat.
The Costco salmon also tastes much better than the Safeway. But, none of them are as good as the wild stuff!
--
John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
JohnH
Jan 19
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| If I recall correctly it had something to do with the amount of fat
contained in farm raised salmon. Eisboch |
Eisboch
Jan 19
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| Were those Nova salmons or belly salmons? And when they were smoked, was
it with or without a filtertip? |
Harry
Jan 19
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| I think we may have missed part of the story. Wild salmon eat masses of
oceanic crustaceans that contain the orange or red pigment that makes
flamingos pink, scarlet ibises scarlet, and the meat of wild salmon
red. Farmed fish don't have access to crustaceans, so the fishfeed
formulators put red dye into the food to color the flesh as the
consumers have come to expect it to be. There are scientific studies that claim the dye is harmful and should
not be eaten with consistency. And many of us like fish as a favorite
food to go after salmon with consistency. Can't catch wild ones because of habitat degradation and overfishing
(Alaska silver salmon sport limit is down to one per day from six per
day as late as 1998). Can't eat the pen-reared ones because they're not
good for your body. Switch off to another favorite fish is the only
plan I have. My Mom used to tell me "there are plenty of fish in the
sea." She was talking about girls then, but I find that, fish or
girls, there are fewer and fewer keepers and the sea isn't as
well-populated now, either way you take it. |
dennyhugg
Jan 19
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| What about the fish diseases which you claim to be nonsense? You haven't
answered that question. I'm going to need to see some cites which describe
the research on these non-issue diseases. |
Doug
Jan 19
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| I wonder (sorry-no cites available) if it's related to the food they're
given. After all, you don't hear much about wild salmon eating cows. |
Doug
Jan 19
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| Here's a scary thing, marginal to this discussion: On a Nova show last year,
they said that some killer whales' body tissue contains so much toxic crap
(by parts per million or however it's measures) that if the animals were
land-based waste, they'd be subject to special handling by whoever needed to
discard them. I'm sure the fish we eat don't have the same issues, though,
because they swim in special water, unlike the whales. |
Doug
Jan 19
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| Do a google. Lots of info on a major city without a sewage treatment plant. |
Calif
Jan 18
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| The disease in deer and elk is called chronic wasting disease or cwd. This
sounds better than the infamous "mad cow disease", however they are closely
related. I hunted Colorado this fall and they go into great detail on how to
safely handle the meat. To date, there are no known cases of humans
contacting the disease.
As for diseased fish, thats all nonsense as far as I can tell. However, if
someone read it on the internet, it must be true!
Gordon |
Gordon
Jan 18
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| Would you believe the same foods are fed to both cattle and farmed fish?
Large masses of small sardine type fishes are caught in the southern oceans
and are processed as animal food, high in proteins etc.
And the poop falls to the sea floor which actually makes a fertile
seafloor with good crabbing !
Gordon |
Gordon
Jan 18
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| Mad cow disease is caused by prions. I'm not totally clear on what that is,
but diseased meat cannot be made safe by cooking, unless the meat's
incinerated beyond the point of being edible. If CWD is also caused by
prions, there is no way to safely handle the meat other than to not eat it. As far as fish diseases, which ones are nonsense? Whirling disease? Others?
Enlighten me. |
Doug
Jan 18
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| Madcow disease was cured in this NG about 4 years ago. --
Skipper |
Skipper
Jan 18
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| Quiet, meat sock. |
Doug
Jan 19
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| The Omega 3 thing is the big issue. And, they have feed the fish food
coloring so they look like salmon. A big thing for me is they just don't taste as good. Farmed raised
salmon is very bland compared to wild. bb |
bb
Jan 19
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| Fish farming in estuaries like Puget Sound is environmentally
destructive. In nature, a school of salmon travels through miles of ocean every day
and is not restricted to swimming in the same water it fouls with its
waste. This is rather obviously not true with fish raised in very
crowded conditions in a pen. In nature, the salmon are able to take
food from the surrounding waters (schools of bait fish, etc), and again
this is not true in a pen situation. The seafloor becomes so
contaminated under a salmon pen that the normal sea life is either
altered in consist or dies out entirely for large areas surrounding the
pen. Commercial "fish food" must be fed to the farmed fish, and as the
uneaten chunks of this stuff settle into the water and rots it promotes
the growth of algae, etc. Holmes Harbor, on Whidbey Island, is an excellent example. My parent
lived there for a while, and when they moved in the beaches in the
harbor were clean and clamming was pretty good in certain sections.
After a couple of fish farms set up shop, the beaches eventually became
covered with green slime and algae and clamming went straight to heck. Fish farms are forced to use a lot of medication to prevent the spread
of disease among the unnaturally dense and confined schools of fish,
and this medication finds its way into the meat much the same way that
growth hormones show up in beef and milk, etc. Finally, most of the fish farms in the Pacific NW raise Atlantic
salmon, which are not native to the NW. When these fish escape, (and
some always manage to escape), they
compete with native stocks for available food. If any of the escaped
farm fish eventually went upstream to spawn...(maybe not all that
likely because salmon typically return to the stream where they were
hatched)...they would compete for opportunities to mate with the
dominant native species but would be genetically unable to produce
offspring. Seen on a bumper sticker: Help Stamp out Dangerous Drugs, Refuse to Eat
Farmed Fish. |
chuckgould.chu...
Jan 18
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| Sick fish are a major concern. The sick get into the wild and spread alien
to the region disease. The farm raised salmon are Atlantic salmon, and
being raised on the west coast bring other disease to the pacific salmon.
The massive decline in Southern California abalone was from Japanese abalone
that were planted by an abalone farm, spreading "withering food" disease.
And those sardines that were fed to cows are changed to different formula by
the cow. |
Calif
Jan 19
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| The Mad Cow prions seem to affect man. There is another prion disease found
in sheep, that does not cross over. |
Calif
Jan 19
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| Chronic wasting disease
http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fuseaction/about.overview Gordon |
Gordon
Jan 18
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| http://www.healthcastle.com/farmed-salmon.shtml A site that will still leave the issue confused.
Gordon |
Gordon
Jan 18
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| About a month ago (my timeline could be off bit) the news was reporting that
farm raised salmon were less healthy for humans than wild salmon; I don't
recall if it was a heart disease report, or something else. |
Bryan
Jan 19
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| One reason might be one which is supposedly being dealt with: Any time |
Doug
Jan 18
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| The diseased fish that don't escape get served for dinner, along with
the healthy ones which have been pumped full of steroids, growth
hormones and anti-biotics. They also get fed pellets made with mad cow
infected beef. Mmmm... Tasty! Commodore Joe Redcloud© |
Commodore
Jan 18
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| On a related note, I read recently that mad cow disease has been found in
deer and elk out west. I don't recall the means of infection, but it was
very simple. Happy hunting. Time to become vegetarians soon. |
Doug
Jan 18
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| Because of the feed for the farm raised fish. They are eating beef and pork
animal by products. So the fish do not have the healthy Omega 3 oil levels.
Plus disease, and all the concentrated poop they swim in. |
Calif
Jan 18
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| cite? |
atl_man2
Jan 18
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