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Cell phones at sea

Hi all,

I am a final year undergraduate student, studying Marine Navigation (BSc) at the University of Plymouth (UK), conducting a study of the use of cell phones by recreational boaters. This includes an assessment of the practices and views of a broad cross section of all recreational boaters, and I would be very grateful if you would contribute to the study by taking two minutes to complete a short and anonymous questionnaire. Please follow the link below to access the questionnaire:

http://facultyj.hs.plymouth.ac.uk/cellphone/

Many thanks,

Nick Loewendahl

If you would like a copy of the completed report please email me with your contact details.

nicholas.loewe...
Jan 20
2006
Really that does surprise me, a functioning radio is part of the safety K.
In the US, believe it or not, private vessels are not required to carry a VHF radio. Looks like you folks in AUS are more safety conscious in this regard.

With DSC, there is now more privacy than before for non emergency conversations on a VHF.

I carry my cell phone everywhere I go, including out on the boat. My land line office phone forwards to the cell 24/7, so I can be "working" on those days I may not actually be doing much work. (Gets to be a nuisance on the long vacation cruises). The cell phone works great for calling ahead to a marina to check on the hours of the fuel dock or arrange transient moorage. My wife can call one of her girlfriends and yak away for an hour or so in the unlikely event she gets bored with my company......(so she spends hours every day on the phone). I think a cell phone is a useful communication device, and there is no good reason *not* to carry one- but if I had to boat with only a VHF or only a cellphone, I'd leave the cell phone on the dock.

Cell phones have pretty well put the marine operators out of business, and that's no loss for nearshore boaters. It used to be that if we wanted to make a phone call from the boat we would have to hail the marine operator, and then the marine operator would patch us through to the number at the other end. I think the rates used to be several dollars a minute- I clearly remember a bill of over $40 for a marine operator phone call that really wasn't all that long.

chuckgould.chu...
Jan 20
You don't have it painted on the side of your boat? -- John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

JohnH
Jan 21
I had to take it off. My wife was becoming annoyed with all the cell phone calls from frantic women. :-) chuckgould.chu...
Jan 21
Obviously he did not have the "best VHF Antenna money could buy" or his VHF was not installed properly. I can ping USCG or Sea Tow from Cat, Bimini or West end on either of my two VHFs (50 to 70 miles) and my cell will die at 10 miles off shore. My old 3 watt installed phone with an external antenna would work to 40 miles off shore. Bottom line... BOTH VHF and Cell PLUS 406 EPIRB are best for COASTAL USE. Offshore still requires a sat phone plus an SSB. VHF can call ship to ship, cell cannot. BTW... Handheld VHFs are NOT safety items... they are toys. Good for talking to people within eyesite but don't count on them. Ed
Jan 20
You're out fishing and your engine dies.

I go by within easy sight so you can see the name on my boat. I notice that you're not underway, but you've still got your fishing gear out so I figure you're intentionally drifting along- or that you would be calling for help- so I just mind my own business and press on.

You'd really like to get my attention and ask for a tow, or some fuel, or what not What's my cell phone number?

chuckgould.chu...
Jan 20
If that is the case then who cares.....just get out the flare gun, the distress flag and air horn to get your attention.

Regardless, you make a good point and every boater should have a VHF radio on board. ;-)

Jan 20
I would see how you react to a flare or two if I was really "broke". gfretwell
Jan 20
It's the law to have a VHF so that of itself is not a problem, but the normal everyday cell phones are becoming much better for normal boat contacts. Most boats rarely if ever actually go offshore & so most always have cell coverage. The conversations are private, the other end doesn't need to have a VHF & be next to it monitoring it 24X7.

I'm clearly well chuffed with the mobile phones from a marine perspective, mostly I can contact my other halves anytime & like & they me. In the event of a "problem" short of a sinking or burning boat, I think a phone call to someone you actually know & trust to organise whatever you need organised is a better bet than a maybe it's being monitored VHF. Of course for that to work you really need to be in serious trouble.

As I said not suggesting throw the VHF over the side but ...... put the mobile in one of those special placky bags for them because it will do you most good, most places a rec boater is likely to really need it.

Just so you know the barrier reef is probably 30-40 miles offshore in the Whitsunday region & for tourists they have daily big ferries going out & a permanently manned pontoon in one of the lagoons. After much national park compromise they allowed a repeater to go in one of the mountains on Whitsunday Island now all around the area even out at the reef people can make & receive normal in the bay type communications.

K

K.
I filled out your brief survey. You should be aware that licensing no longer is required for VHF marine radio use in the States.

Also, you might consider adding a section as to why some feel cell phones are more convenient than VHF.

Good luck.

Harry
Jan 20
Ditto.

 Capt. Bill

A
Jan 20
I filled out the survey. I hope that the survey doesn't encourage some neophyte to think that he can safely substitute a cell phone for a VHF aboard a boat operating "at sea", or that there's even some serious debate about the subject. chuckgould.chu...
Jan 20
A lot really depends on the cell phone and the VHF. If you have a 3 watt bag phone, connected to a good marine antenna it will get out better than a handheld VHF, maybe even better than a hard wired VHF. It depends on how far you are from a cell tower or the nearest other vessel with VHF. A friend of mine was having problems about half way between Naples and Marathon and he couldn't raise a soul on his VHF ch16 but his phone rang. It was his family asking if he was OK (missed the ETA on his float plan). Things worked out OK for him and he limped home but it was reassuring that someone had his position in case the situation degraded. He had an installed VHF and an installed Moto Bag phone, both with the best antennas he could buy. gfretwell
Jan 20
   

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