Boat Recommendation
The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must. I do not think
this boat represents the best choice for the intended usage. --
Skipper |
Skipper
Jan 21
2006
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| Are you adding something to the group with this continuous nonsense? You're
putting yourself in the same category as the *other* person who insists on
the continuous name-calling and personal attacks.
--
John H ******Have a spectacular day!****** |
JohnH
Jan 23
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| Yep. That's like putting up a billboard "WARNING: This Boat |
DSK
Jan 23
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| So? |
Netsock
Jan 23
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| When did you get a Parker Krause? Did you sell the Zimmerman? >I don't think it matters much what Snipper's spec's are...he ain't buying. At least he aint a boatless liar.
__ "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
Netsock
Jan 23
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| >One thing that I noticed, a LOT of these boats are bank repos. i was surprized this morning by a call from a good friend who sells
high end bass boats - the bank has repored a few of them over the
winter - geve me a hell of a price on a 21 footer. |
Shortwave
Jan 23
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| Totally unrealistic of course. A new 50 is out of the question at
$1M+, and any used 50 at $200K is going to need lots of work before it
goes safely offshore. Speaking from recent experience it is very easy
to spend $15K+ just on basic communications equipment and safety gear
for offshore passaging. Upgraded RADAR, sounder and Nav equipment is
at least another $10K with professional installation. Virtually all
used boats will be deficient in most of these areas in addition to
having a lot of deferred maintenance on the mechanical equipment. Sail is out of the question for anyone over 60 and with no experience. Diesel fuel, even on a LRC is going to run about $1/mile. Basic
maintenance will add at least another $1/mile. |
Wayne.B
Jan 22
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| >Skipper, ask Skipper if he smokes pot. I think they call it loco weed in Kansas. |
Wayne.B
Jan 22
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| If this were school, you wouldn't be pleased with your grade...of
Course. --
Skipper |
Skipper
Jan 22
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| What a condescending butt-head. Wayne is doing the kind of cruising you were wasting Chuck's
time daydreaming about. I guess you're in a position to give
him a grade, all right. DSK |
DSK
Jan 22
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| Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?
(insert Twilight Theme) |
Don
Jan 23
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| loco weed Eisboch |
Eisboch
Jan 22
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| Skipper does this so he can disassociate himself from his idiotic remarks. "I didn't say that," Skipper said. "Skipper said it." |
Harry
Jan 22
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| Since I recently purchased a used boat in your stated size range,
after looking at countless others, and doing the necessary upgrades, I
believe that some claim to first hand knowledge is appropriate. Your mileage may vary but I doubt it. I think the closest you'll get in your price range is an old clapped
out sailboat that needs a ton of work. And then you'll need to learn
how to sail it. Go to Ft Lauderdale which has more used boats for sale than any other
place that I know. There are always some Cal 2-46s available. This
is a boat that has crossed oceans and circumnavigated more than anyone
can count, and you can buy them for $100K or less if you shop around. We looked at a couple. They were all in need of major refits: new
engine, new genset, new rigging, new sails, new electronics, canvas,
you name it, plus major cosmetic work. Talk to anyone who has done
that kind of work on a 46 footer and you will be staggered by the
price. |
Wayne.B
Jan 22
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| I dunno about that, although I do think Skippie has been |
DSK
Jan 22
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| Quoting from the listing: "She is priced below market to reflect some
deck repairs which will be necessary." Not a good thing, and if the deck needs repair what kind of
maintenance have those Ford Lehmans and the two gensets been getting? And what about those black iron fuel tanks that are so famous for
rusting out? My guess is well over $50K to get it ship shape, probably closer to
$100K if you want everthing done right. The Skookum in Thailand is another interesting listing since the Skook
is a proven world cruiser, and has long been an object of Snipper's
affection. Good ones are going for around $300K so we can probably
infer that the one in Phuket has other issues besides an inconvenient
location. They have one other minor drawback: a draft of 8 feet
which can get you hard aground almost anywhere you choose. |
Wayne.B
Jan 22
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|
That's not such a bad thing; a deep draft will keep Skipper way offshore. |
Harry
Jan 22
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| His mind left a long time ago. His body can't get up off the couch to
follow. |
Don
Jan 23
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| Yep. We should award him a few points for getting a lively on topic
discussion going, with a minimum of personal invective. And if being
an opinionated and cantankerous old coot was worth anything, he'd be
well into the bonus round. |
Wayne.B
Jan 22
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| I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find *many* boats meeting the spec
in Fort Lauderdale. Couple years ago Jordan alone had 2 Peterson 46s, 3
Gulfstar 50s, and several other spec compliant boats in *cruise ready*
condition...but then their location had just been sold to service
megayachts. --
Skipper |
Skipper
Jan 22
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| If you're serious, you owe it to yourself to take a look. It's a nice
time of year to visit Lauderdale and with a couple of phone calls
you'd have brokers falling all over themselves to find you a boat. After actually seeing a few in the "bargain basement" category you'll
have a better idea of what's out there. |
Wayne.B
Jan 22
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| That's certainly your call to make, however I should probably address a
few of your points: First, as this is a deep draft, full displacement hull the headroom is
outstanding. It's a long way from the bilge to the main deck. Headroom
certainly exceeds 6' 3" feet in the main cabin, galley, pilothouse, and
master stateroom. Headroom in the engine room is almost exactly 6-feet,
(I can stand up in there, and I'm just a whisker short of 6-feet), and
that was the lowest clearance I found anywhere. The inconsequential difference in length between this boat and a
"50-footer" is going to be meaningless as far as hull speed goes, and
this boat seems beamier by far than many nominal 50's. The seller recently reduced the price from somewhere closer to $250k
down to the $210,000 level. If someone were in the market, they would
call Art or Marcie at LYS and arrange to submit a written offer, with a
deposit, for a sales price of $180k subject to physical inspection, sea
trial, and survey. The worst that could happen is they would be told
the boat wasn't available for the sort of money one might like to
spend- but if one submits a written offer with a deposit the broker is
required to present your offer to the seller before suggesting that you
buzz off or come up with a few more bucks. If the boat didn't appeal to a prospective buyer for some objective or
subjective reason, that would be one thing- but it would be hard to
write it off as unavailable at $180,000 without taking a run at the
seller with an offer. Stranger things have happened. As this is a
one-off, custom vessel who's to say what it's really "worth" in the
marketplace? (It's worth what it will sell for, and no more). As far as sail goes: Most guys your age are getting rid of sailboats
and going to trawlers as the sailing becomes too physically demanding.
Are you in shape to sail a 50-footer with Mrs. Skipper along for crew? |
chuckgould.chu...
Jan 21
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| There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To
request a 50-footer for that is absurd. DSK |
DSK
Jan 22
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| pah - headroom, schmedroom - bend over like the rest of us. |
Shortwave
Jan 22
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| Sounds like you've dropped the soap at least once too often. DSK |
DSK
Jan 22
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| Here you go, Snipper: http://hsfeatures.com/s100cw_1.htm |
Harry
Jan 22
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| Was this a backyard project boat, Chuck?
Hull completed in 1990...
Launched many years later...
Engine from 1985... |
Harry
Jan 22
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| My 25' Parker has about that much headroon in the main cabin. I've been
in lots of 30-footers with that much headroom. I don't think it matters much what Snipper's spec's are...he ain't buying. |
Harry
Jan 22
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| Even the Mirage 33 I crewed on for years had 6' 5" headroom.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/mirage35.htm |
Don
Jan 22
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| This boat was built by the original owner, as time and funds were
available, over a period of several years. The term "backyard project"
would seem to denote some clueless neophyte at work, but it's pretty
obvious the guy knew exactly what he was doing and did it well. |
chuckgould.chu...
Jan 22
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| There are backyard project boat builders and then there are backyard
project boat builders. I've only known two competent backyard boat
builders in my lifetime, though I've closely inspected at least a dozen
larger projects. I also have some first-hand knowledge of builders who
buy hulls in the 30-50' range and finish them off for sale themselves or
as custom boats for customers. Nothing beats the experience of having
put together a few dozen large boats. Some parts of the boat have attractive lines, but other parts are a dead
giveaway that it was a backyard project boat. While a qualified surveyor
might attest to its general condition or integrity, betting on whether
the boat was seakindly would take someone willing to accept long odds. A
quick trial isn't going to tell you much. For $200,000 plus, there are many nice choices available in used
cruising boats. This particular behemoth would not be one I'd consider
if I were in that market. But it is a very interesting boat, to be sure. |
Harry
Jan 22
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| Can't believe I actually concur with his preliminary assessment. --
Skipper |
Skipper
Jan 22
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| OK, Igor. |
Calif
Jan 22
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| If you know of some good bluewater long range cruising boats, 50-feet
or thereabouts, available for around $200k, why not post a link to one? One of the challenges Skipper has faced all these years hasn't been a
lack of suitable boats available, but rather a lack of suitable boats
in good condition in his price range.
It seems that he also expects to find one ready to go, with no
modifications or upgrades required for his intended use. I think he may indeed find few more choices among sailboats capable of
making HI from the West Coast (and if capable of that, it will coastal
cruise from AK to MEX), available at that $180,000 price bracket., but
I don't pretend to know much about sailboats or sailing. |
chuckgould.chu...
Jan 22
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| A couple of years ago, I steered Skipper to the URL of a Canadian
builder putting together what looked like a lovely 32' trawler for
around $200,000. I mean, it was one hell of a boat. And new. But it was
too small for our boy. I don't believe Skipper is a serious purchaser. I didn't believe he was
in the past, I don't believe he is now, and I don't think he will be in
the future. If you happened to find a boat that met his spec's, I doubt
he could purchase or finance it. If I recall, you said Mrs. Skipper was a bit hesitant to board a fairly
large boat at dockside. I fortunately have a wife with sealegs. When
she's aboard, she's the one that goes forward for anchor handling or bow
line tossing. |
Harry
Jan 22
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| Skipper posted a NG Challenge to this forum yesterday suspecting there
would be no serious takers. Had the exact same post been issued to the
cruising NG, many responsible replies would have been forthcoming. He
would not, of course, issue to that NG because of the flaming idjits
that post would attract there. This was once the premier boating NG in
Usenet. Sadly, that is no longer true. In that same vein, had Skipper posted info about his boat or ANY subject
boat, the info would only fuel more mindless flames. After all, that is
all some 'contributors' bring to the table these days. --
Skipper |
Skipper
Jan 22
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| Skipper, ask Skipper if he smokes pot. Eisboch |
Eisboch
Jan 22
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| The last time you posted here about "your boat," Snipper, you said you
had sold it. Did the sale fall through? As for mindless flames, that seems to be your rice bowl, eh. |
Harry
Jan 22
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