Storm of the..century?
http://tinyurl.com/jfqgcWhoo Hoo!!! Better over insure the boats and make sure they are on the coast in
time for the big one. |
Shortwave
Mar 20
2006
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| I was referring to the codes for screened pool enclosures. Building codes
are necessary, although some of the new codes, particularly electrical, are
getting ridiculous. RCE |
RCE
Mar 21
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| With a Cat 4 or Cat 5 hurricane all bet are off. It becomes more a
matter of luck than anything else. The wind loads on even modest
sized homes can exceed 200,000 lbs in that kind of storm. |
Wayne.B
Mar 21
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| Kevin is as dumb as ever, he thinks "design" only means structural
engineering LMAO. He is still dumber than a tree stump. |
P.
Mar 21
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| Still keeping your nose wedged up kevin's ass as usual. |
P.
Mar 21
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| As opposed to the locals that just screw them all the rest of the time? |
Bill
Mar 21
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| Yeah... you know, like the dinosaurs.... |
Gene
Mar 21
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| If it was only wind and not liquid and solid objects flying through
the air you might be right. |
Gene
Mar 21
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| Sounds strange. Being in the contract like THAT could be constued as IF
there was the frame only, it could withstand wind pressures (negative
or positve) that would result from a 140 mph wind. given that there are
panels acting as sails, the thing failed! |
basskisser
Mar 21
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| I spent a month in south Florida after Hurricane Andrew, working with a
team of civil engineers on assessing and documenting damage to various
kinds of structures. Even buildings constructed to withstand the highest
winds were severely damaged by flying objects and by wind shear and
other forces that accompany the straight on winds of a major hurricane. |
Harry
Mar 21
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| You liberals just can not take free speech. :>) |
CalifBill
Mar 21
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| That's why the code and any warranty is worthless. If the screen panels
don't pop out as they are supposed to, all bets are off. RCE |
RCE
Mar 21
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| Agreed. Also, in order to work as they are supposed to , they'd have
pop out in either direction! Because if the wind is blowing in one
direction, the leeward panels would then have a negative pressure on
them. But, alas, codes aren't worthless. If there were no code
provisions, people would be building structures that wouldn't withstand
someone blowing on them! One of my colleagues went to Clemson U, and
was on their hurricane team. Pretty interesting stuff. |
basskisser
Mar 21
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| Your childish name calling does SO much for your credibility. Good job. |
basskisser
Mar 21
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| It's not that they are doing a bad job of "designing these things",
it's that things are made cheaply, it's nothing short of profit margin.
Anybody with just a little engineering and building knowledge can make
a building that will stand up against considerable forces, but the
trick is to do so economically. |
basskisser
Mar 21
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| Bassy,
The problem with name calling is it is contagious. Let's not turn
rec.boats into it's old flamefest NG.
|
Reggie
Mar 21
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| In honor of your obvious superior knowledge on Florida building codes, I
will amend my story about the pool enclosure to include my paraphrased
recollection of a statement in the contractor's standard contract that said
more of less that, by code, the frame shall be designed and installed in a
manner such to withstand continuous wind forces of 140 mph without failure. It failed. At less than 140 mph. RCE |
RCE
Mar 20
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| In existance.
Mark E. Williams |
Maynard
Mar 20
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| Do you think he's one of those 'carpetbaggers' who show up after major
storms to fleece the desperate & gullible? |
Don
Mar 21
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| extant
One entry found for extant.
Main Entry: ex·tant
Pronunciation: 'ek-st&nt; ek-'stant, 'ek-"
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin exstant-, exstans, present participle of exstare to
stand out, be in existence, from ex- + stare to stand -- more at STAND
1 archaic : standing out or above
2 a : currently or actually existing <the most charming writer extant --
G. W. Johnson> b : not destroyed or lost <extant manuscripts> |
Don
Mar 21
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| Did the contractor replace it for free? |
Don
Mar 21
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| Just an odd use of the word. |
Shortwave
Mar 21
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| Thank you Mr. Dictionary. |
Shortwave
Mar 21
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| Still in existence - as in extant manuscripts meaning manuscripts
which still exist. |
Shortwave
Mar 21
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| I think experienced would have been a better choice than extant, but
hey... |
Shortwave
Mar 21
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| Sorry. ....forces exist during a strong hurricane. Better? |
Harry
Mar 20
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| Hell no. There was still a one year waiting list for repairs from the two
hurricanes from the previous season. Actually, we lucked out. The house was under agreement at the time Wilma
hit. In fact, the house inspection was originally scheduled for the day of
the hurricane, which is why I was down there in the first place. We
postponed the inspection until we got power back (took a week) and the
buyers of the house decided they liked the pool without the enclosure, so it
was no big deal. We ended up giving them a 10,000 dollar credit for the
minor roof damage and some landscaping rework. RCE |
RCE
Mar 20
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| I think he was using it to describe existing multiple winds, like confused
seas. At least that was my interpretation. RCE |
RCE
Mar 20
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| I agree - as I said, just an odd application. Of course I should talk - I use the word all the time. :>) Improperly too. |
Shortwave
Mar 21
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| "The Northeast is staring down the barrel of a gun," said Joe Bastardi,
AccuWeather.com's chief hurricane forecaster..." Wow, a name like "Bastardi" and I thought "Schnautz" was bad... Tim |
tschnautz
Mar 20
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| Union tricks, eh? |
NOYB
Mar 21
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| A pool enclosure is not much different than a biplane in construction.
Imagine a biplane disintegrating when it hit 140mph. Why can't they do a
better job designing these things? |
NOYB
Mar 21
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| I was being facetious, dipstick. |
NOYB
Mar 21
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| Well, in theory the screens are supposed to pop out before the frame tears
apart. That's one of the reasons the rubber strips that hold the screen
sections in are facing outward. But, like many things, the theory doesn't
bear out and in our case the rubber strips held on long enough to rip the
aluminum frame apart in several sections. Only the frames are supposed to
withstand 140 mph, not the screening. RCE |
RCE
Mar 20
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| Around here the pool enclosures have been the first thing to go.
We've been luck so far but almost all of our neighbors have lost one
in the last two years. Interestingly enough, the ones that appear to
be the strongest are the first to fall. |
Wayne.B
Mar 20
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| Tom, this your alter ego site?
http://www.blowmeuptom.com/ |
CalifBill
Mar 21
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| Did you know I was responsible for getting Leykis kicked off the air
in Worcester, MA? :>) |
Shortwave
Mar 21
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| Theoretically, the glass in the John Hancock Building was supposed to
withstand 100 mph winds. Of course they built the building like an airplane wing and lost how
many glass panels? :>) As much as you try, you can't design for everything and half the time
you don't even realize that your base design is worthless. |
Shortwave
Mar 21
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| Not to mention that somebody named Bastardi used a gun reference. |
Shortwave
Mar 21
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| For a while there, the Hancock Building lost one or two panes of glass every
time somebody sneezed. RCE |
RCE
Mar 21
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| Tell us the story.
|
Reggie
Mar 21
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| Sorry - it was a bad joke, framed badly and apparently obtuse. Just in case: Obtuse: Lacking quickness of perception or intellect.
Characterized by a lack of intelligence or sensitivity: an obtuse
remark. However, I'm not a Leykis fan anyway and find him - well offensive. |
Shortwave
Mar 21
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| You can always come down here to Florida to escape any storm heading your
way. All of our weak buildings have been destroyed over the last couple of
years and rebuilt to stand up to 140mph+ winds. |
NOYB
Mar 20
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| That's what went through my hollow head. After 3 hurricanes in one year in
Florida, we threw in the towel, sold everything and moved back to the
Northeast. Now Shortwave says they are coming up here this year. What did I ever do to him? RCE |
RCE
Mar 20
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| MMMUUUAAAAWWWAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA!! |
Shortwave
Mar 20
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| Don't move. Especially to Florida You Hurricane magnet you. |
JIMinFL
Mar 20
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| Are you the real Joe Btfspik? http://www.lil-abner.com/familyalbum2.html ;-) |
Mar 20
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| Not really, but lately I've become more like Ole Man Mose. http://www.lil-abner.com/oldmanalb.html RCE |
RCE
Mar 20
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| Why? Everything is new and built to withstand those storms now. |
NOYB
Mar 20
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| No shit......I am working on a mid rise condo in Sarasota, it is amazing
what we have to design for, |
P.
Mar 20
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| Built to Miami-Dade code? |
NOYB
Mar 20
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| I wouldn't put too much faith in those "standards." First, there are
many ways around them at "inspection" time and, second, all sorts of
forces are extant during a strong hurricane. |
Harry
Mar 20
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| Extant? |
Shortwave
Mar 20
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| Nope. Not true. By code SOME areas like coastal have to be designed for
140 mph windspeed, some areas do not. |
basskisser
Mar 20
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| Right. We had a pool enclosure installed two years ago at the house in
Jupiter. By code, it was built to withstand 140 mph winds. The 140 mph
code is nothing new - it's been the building code in Florida for several
years. Wilma came along and "POOF". Granted, not a building structure, but still it was, by code, supposed to
withstand 140 mph winds without frame failure. I think the highest gust we
got during Wilma was around 110-120 mph. Fortunately, the 14 year old stick house made it ok, minus a few concrete
roof shingles. I recently read that the use of concrete shingles is being
questioned now because if a few go, the rest tend to rip off like a zipper. RCE |
RCE
Mar 20
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| Really? Just how much structural engineering are you doing in Florida?
Do you have an engineering license to practice in Florida? |
basskisser
Mar 20
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| You'd think Harry would at least provide a link to the meaning of some of
his words. RCE |
RCE
Mar 20
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| First of all, it's not a true statement that all buildings have to be
designed to withstand 140 mph winds in FL. Secondly, there's different
levels of design. Different design criteria for different components
such as cladding, main frames, shear walls, as well as roof uplift.
Hell, even the corners of buildings are designed differently than the
rest of the wall system because of negative wind pressures there. |
basskisser
Mar 20
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| Quite possibly, he means "we" as being the construction company he works
for. Jeeze. RCE |
RCE
Mar 20
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