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Johnson V4
I'm to sell my boat which has a 90HP Johnson V4 on it....
One of the possible buyers took the spark plugs off and tested the
combustion of each of the cylinders... one of them failed badly....
Is it worth fixing these things???I don't want to fix it myself cause I
might not get the money back when I sell it.... when a motor of this age
(about 1985) and has these problems i igt worth fixing??Thanks |
GC
Jun 18 2006
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| To cut to the chase here, whether a spark plug sparks or not has
nothing to do with compression. Lack of compression is usually due to either a hole in the piston,
broken/damaged piston rings or badly damaged cylinder walls (or a
combination/all of the above.) Fixing this problem isn't necessarily that difficult or terribly
expensive. If your engine runs OK now (an I HOPE you're running it with
"muffs" or in the water,or you have probably ruined your water pump
already...) you may be able to 'bandage' the problem by just replacing
the piston/rings with a good hone job (if the cyl wall isn't in bad
shape) or having it bored may not be too expensive if you do all the
teardown yourself. Since it's a 2-stroke engine, it's not that
difficult since you don't have to deal with valves, etc. Pulling the
heads off is usually a matter of a few bolts (you will need to have new
head gaskets for when you put it back together.) If you have zero confidence (and don't have the will/time to read a
manual) having someone else with mechanical experience help you could
save you money. Finally if you have to take the motor to a marine
engine repair shop will cost you money and like a previous poster said,
may not be worthwhile, but it wouldn't hurt to ASK how much. Jeff M |
Chehalis
Jun 18
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| Unless the cylinder walls were washed ... Rob |
trainfan1
Jun 18
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| I REITERATE that spark has NOTHING to do with compression. Whatever
"unless the cylinder walls were washed" means is beyond me. Spark is
spark and while a weak spark can be quenched by compression, if you
don't have compression in a 2-stroke it's due to a physical problem
that is allowing the air/fuel mixture to escape either into the
crankcase or to the outside air, which could include piston holes,
blown head gaskets, broken rings, badly scored cylinder walls, etc.,
but a lack of compression and whether you have a spark or not are
UNRELATED. You need a proper fuel/lubricant/air mix, compression and
spark (at the right moment) for a 2-stroke engine to run. In order to improve compression, you need to lessen or eliminate places
where the fuel/air mix can excape. Check the head gasket, inspect the
top of the piston and look carefully at the cylinder walls; it should
be fairly obvious what the problem is. Before I tore down my engine, I would carefully redo the compression
test, and then do it again... The individual who 'tested' it may have
been looking for a lower price and fudged on the results. Just a
possibility. The compression should be within approx 10lbs of each
other or less. Closer is better. For example, if you have an older 4
cyl OMC outboard like I do, you might find something like this: Cyl 1: 100lbs
Cyl 2: 97lbs
Cyl 3: 101lbs
Cyl 4: 99lbs This would be acceptable. However something like this would show a problem: Cyl 1: 100lbs
Cyl 2: 97lbs
Cyl 3: 101lbs
Cyl 4: 79lbs If you've run the test several times and this is what you see, the
engine may run (sorta) but Cyl 4 has a serious problem. Remember,
always do compression tests with the throttle wide open. Compression testers are cheap and anyone who has an engine in their
garage (lawnmower, outboard, inboard or automobile) should have one. |
Chehalis
Jun 18
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Just for kicks, take a compression test on a two-stroke motor with the
throttle closed, throttle open, and your hand over the carb blocking off all
air flow. You will find that the compression numbers are all very close. Why
you ask? Because the exhaust port is open to ambient air until the piston
ring closes it off. On a two stroke, the compression only builds when the
exhaust port is closed off by the top ring. Try it, if you don't believe. Bill Grannis
service manager |
Billgran
Jun 18
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| Joe is right, compression is compression, ignition, and spark plugs are a
different issue. If the engine does not show signs of discolored paint on the heads from
overheating, AND you want to mess with it, a 21 year old OB is not old if
taken care of, if it is corroded, filthy, signs of oil/gas leakage, bad
seals in lower, shifts funny, then let it go as parts. I have a 1985 Merc 4
cyl that is like brand new, compression 140 to 145 across all 4, you could
eat off the heads. Same as my 1989 15 HP Mariner. But I seen other OB's only
5 years old in 10 times more used condition than mine, from neglect, and not
having maintaining them. Watch out for discolored heads on any outboards! If you are selling with a bad cyl, then let the buyer know he has an issue,
he may not mind doing it himself or getting it done if he likes the boat
and/or motor. Mike |
MikeT
Jun 19
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| You have to remove the cylinder head to see how bad the damage is. If the
cylinder is not deeply scored, it can be bored oversize and a new piston
fitted. Being a 21 year old motor, it probably would not be economically feasible to
repair it, unless you planned on keeping it for a few more years. If it is a
salt water motor, then it is not worth fixing. Bill Grannis
service manager |
Billgran
Jun 17
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| I had a look at my engine again today...
I found that the red wire that goes to the little box which goes to the
spark plug, had a bad connection...
So I wonder if this was part of the problem before.... the spark plug wasn't
firing and in turn the cyclinder wasn't firing (sorry for my non-technical
terms hehe)
Anyway I cleaned the grotty spark plug up, and fixed up the wiring
connection and then started the engine again and let it run for about 5
mins......
I then turned it off again and took out the spark plug..... its was looking
a bit better... looked like it had a bit of oil on it like the other spark
plugs..... The cyclinder may be working again now???
Without a compression tester, how can I safely check to see if the cyclinder
is firing??
Can I disconnect the cable going to each of the other spark plugs and just
leave the suspect one in??? What results can I expect from this?? So is it possible that the engine failed the compression test simply because
the spark plug hasn't been firing properly in the past??
Thanks "GC" <mobaccREMOVE@tig.com.au> wrote in message |
GC
Jun 18
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