Rednecks, airboats and spring water
Yesterday, I took my two younger kids to the headwater spring of the
Wacissa River in Jefferson county, FL (about 20 miles east of
Tallahassee) to go canoeing and fishing. Years ago when I went there
as a kid a lot, it was beautiful with crystal clear cold spring water,
ideal for a hot summer afternoon.We got there and it was packed with seemingly every redneck within 50
miles. Fortunately, most of em were well behaved and mostly sober.
What struck me was that most of the girls were overweight and all of
them except one good looking redhead had "Tramp Stamp" tattoos on their
lower backs. Do white trash rednecks really think tattoos look good?
I really can't be too hard on em cuz I am probably related to half of
em in a complicated way (being a local myself). My kids were apalled
and amazed at such redneckism, I think they lead a much more sheltered
life than I did since they go to upper income schools whereas I went to
the worst local schools. What did piss me off was the airboats, there were about 8 of them. The
Wacissa River is very shallow in places and is covered with hydrilla
(invasive non-native plant) and some floating native plants so is not
easily navigable by most boats. I can understand why some people have
them for getting to fishing holes in shallow water but I wish they'd
avoid being around other people cuz they are so loud they hurt your
ears at 300'. These guys were not doing any fishing but were only
running up and down the river making noise and spoiling it for everyone
else. Every one of these airboats was piloted by a guy with a huge
beer gut, control stick in one hand and beer can in the other. In spite of the airboats, the kids had a good time. My 15 yr old son
tried to impress his gf but he has no skill in canoeing. My 10 yr old
daughter loved the whole thing. We all watched a smallish gator
stalking a wading bird (it got away). I am trying to get my kids
familiar with the canoe so they will do more outdoors stuff instead of
wimpy computer games but watching my son trying to tie a knot makes me
want to beat my head on a tree. I thought he would just learn these
things like I did without being taught but I s'pose its a different
world. |
dbohara
Jun 26 2006
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| Students in San Francisco attend public schools based on a lottery. So a
kid living next to a great school can end up going to a crappy school in
some other neighborhood. This is to level the playing field. Ultimately,
families who can afford to send their kids to private schools do so if they
didn't win the public school lottery. I don't know how widespread this
practice is throughout the state or nationwide. In my town north of San
Francisco we bought our house based on the elementary and middle schools our
kids would attend; our school district places students based on address, not
lottery. |
Bryan
Jun 28
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| You know, that's a great question. My daughter has been asking me to
describe a redneck. It's a tough question to answer; at least in a
multiculturally sensitive politically correct manner. |
Bryan
Jun 28
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| Not terribly surprising that SF would use that system. It has to be the
most PC city in the US. In our area school enrichment groups have sprung up to provide additional
funds or other enriching items to support the local schools. In higher
income areas this works very well. I don't understand why we think that throwing more money at schools equals
better education. Better teachers (with teacher testin) and involved
parents equals better education. Here, we seem to have a fixation on
facilities and spend enormous sums on new schools. The buildings are
beautiful brick structures with incredible landscaping and cost an arm and a
leg. Of course the roofs leak at the approach of the first tropical system.
Seems to me we could provide an equal educational opportunity in a well
insulated metal structure for about 35% of the cost?? |
Butch
Jun 28
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| Jeez, you're an idiot. Been down to the mud bog races yet this year? |
basskisser
Jun 27
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| Please, do tell the group NOYB, how do you know WHAT I'm comparing? I
take it your head is stuck so far in the sand that you haven't heard of
the movement to buy beautiful but neglected homes in old neighborhoods
and fixing them up? There are several old 'hoods in Atlanta that have
undergone transformation and are fetching astronomical prices, unlike
the Naples market which is getting stagnant. How about those trailer
parks out by the mud bogs? There values going up? |
basskisser
Jun 27
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| Well, it is a sort of self sorting process. The quality of a school
drives the prices of nearby homes here and that drives the quality of
the schools. There is actually an inverse corellation between funding
levels at a school and the standardized test scores. In other words,
poor schools have substantially more spent per student. It is
generally the income level that determines parental involvement which
determines student achievement. The local school board tries to mix
things up by making the worst high school into a mixed normal high
school and a special advanced school with limitesd success. They also
have tried the 'magnet school' concept with little success.
My wife has been a teacher in 5 different states and many different
schools so she has a very good perspective on this issue. When I was a kid here, my family home was just above "double wide"
level (and there were 9 kids) and most of my classmates were the
poorest rednecks and the poorest blacks, a great combination. My high
school was basically a babysitting service for poor kids until they
went into the army,the guidance department had no notion of college.
Today, we live on the affluent side of town, are solidly middle class
and my kids attend one of the top 100 public high schools in the
country where 90% of the kids go to college. My kids classmates
normally own their own cars that are always nicer than what I drive.
Exposure to the extreme redneck element was a culture shock to my
sheltered kids but part of my past. |
dbohara
Jun 27
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| That is not true around here (SW Florida)
Lee County just got out from under the 60s "deseg" orders but they
still go out of their way to be sure we are "balanced" ethnically.
Where you live may not have anything to do with what school your kids
go to. Screw the price of oil, ozone or CO2, they get bused. .... but it does make a better football program ;-) |
gfretwell
Jun 27
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| I live in Lee County and did not know that (no school age kids). What ethnicity is "red neck" and how do they identify them? Are they
required to carry cards or other ID? |
Wayne.B
Jun 27
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| If you have lived here long you should have remembered all the deseg
problems (Willie Green and the NAACP)
It certainly affects your property taxes, even if you don't have kids.
We pay about $17,000 per kid enrolled, in taxes.
The school board budget is ONE POINT THREE BILLION bucks a year.
Sounds like a lot of money for the miserable results we get. It would
be a lot cheaperr to send them to private school. Caterbury (our best
secular private school) is less than $17,000 a year. |
gfretwell
Jun 27
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| "Tramp Stamp" tattoo? LOL! I never heard those ugly "butt billboards" called that before. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
tschnautz
Jun 26
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| And Ass Antlers. |
Bryan
Jun 27
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| And "Ass Antlers. " Now that's a new one on me too! |
tschnautz
Jun 27
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| Do they really sort who goes to what public school in your area by
income?? |
basskisser
Jun 27
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| Many school attendance zones are based upon proximity to the school. Newer
developed areas often have newer schools and a certain income level is
required to afford to live in those areas. Older, less popular areas often
require less income for housing, eh? Perhaps this will result in another Supreme Court decision and new busing
requirements to level the playing field? After all, we can't have economic
segregation, can we? |
Butch
Jun 27
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| A lot of older home areas here in these parts are selling for higher
prices than new. |
basskisser
Jun 27
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| Yes, but you're comparing older double-wides to the newer single-wides. |
NOYB
Jun 27
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| You'll be pleased to know that when I lived in Florida, I filed a formal
complaint about the noise these damned airboats make and worked on a
petititon that for a while at least got their use restricted on the ICW
where we were. The airboat idiots would go charging up the creeks of the ICW at high
speeds and high noise levels, and then bounce over the marsh to the next
creek, destroying habitat in their path. I was always hoping to see one
snagged and stopped short by a stump so that the driver would go flying
but, alas, it never happened while I was fishing. |
Harry
Jun 26
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