More on weight issues.
Ok, a little help here.It appears that I was pretty close on the over weight issue -
according to the weights I was given by the manufacturer, the boat
must be 900 lbs overweight. So, as I was thinking about this and my strange thoughts went to the
boat's data plate. According to the data plate, the capacity of the boat is 1800 lbs.
That calculation is motor, people, fuel and gear. Basically, the boat is 900 lbs overweight. That leaves 900 lbs
capacity. The engine weighs basically 500 lbs, leaving 400 lbs. 49
gallons of gas is 300 lbs. Leaving 100 lbs of capacity. Three people, one at 250 lbs of rugged, handsome semi-retired,
semi-professional guide, the other two at 200 lbs each is 650 lbs. If
it were only the rugged, handsome semi-retired, semi-professional
guide it would be 150 lbs over capacity. That would mean that the boat, when properly loaded, is 550 pounds
over capacity. Yes/No? |
Shortwave
Aug 23
2006
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Shortwave
Aug 23
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| So what do you figure are your other options for finding out if the foam is
waterlogged or not? |
James
Aug 23
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| I was thinking maybe NDT - maybe ultrasound or xray or something. |
Shortwave
Aug 23
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| please email me at delcecchi at yahoo dot com
I am interested in your Remicade experience. |
Del
Aug 23
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| Done. |
Shortwave
Aug 24
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| Is there an rf/microwave type water detector? drill a tiny hole in an
out of the way place and stick a couple of wires down and measure
resistance? dry foam probably very high, wet foam lower. I also have heard of internal drainage channels being accidently blocked
at the factory by a little piece of something. Is there a path whereby
water is supposed to drain from the front to the back, under the floor? After all, we are talking about the equivilent of a couple inches of
water over the entire deck area of the boat. maybe a little less. |
Del
Aug 23
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| Exactly although the way the hull is made, it's pretty much a straight
shot from the storage drains to the hull and out through the drain
plug - or so I've been told. I'm going down to the boat tomorrow with
some light weight, four foot stainless steel rod that I use for making
spinners and plumb out the drains. I just thought of that in fact while watching - get this -
Mythbusters. :>) >After all, we are talking about the equivilent of a couple inches of
>water over the entire deck area of the boat. maybe a little less. About 100 gallons - which, based on my calculations (width of the
boat), could be as much as three inches of water worst case if
contained in one area - which is defiantly not the case. I don't know- we'll see. |
Shortwave
Aug 24
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| The case I recall, there were tubes through bulkheads or stringers or
whatever they used to strengthen the hull on the inside. One got plugged
somehow. Water puddled ahead of it. Got anything longer than 4 feet?
Electrical fish tape might do it. How much would you dare pick up the nose of the boat and trailer with a
hoist to see if any water ran out? Just brainstorming here. del |
Del
Aug 23
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| I do have a small fish tape that might do the trick. I'll take it |
Shortwave
Aug 24
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| Tom, I hope you sort this out quickly and cheaply. You boat probs along with our
Red Sox probs must be a real drag. At least the Sox are winning at this
moment...it's only the 5th inning though... --Mike |
MGG
Aug 24
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| And that doesn't count a couple of batteries, live well, cooler, case of
spring water, fishing tackle, ice, etc. |
Del
Aug 22
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| Does Ranger have a hull warranty of some sort? That might be one
avenue to explore. I'd bet almost anything you've got water in the
foam flotation or in the core material. |
Wayne.B
Aug 22
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| Yes, but there may be an issue because of "commercial use". Still
researching that. Actually, it's more like we need to figure out how to find out if
there is water there because of the way it's made, it's pretty much
one unit. Before I open my mouth though, I have an idea of how it might have
happened and I need to check that exactly before I go further. |
Shortwave
Aug 23
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| A surveyors moisture meter could probably detect water in the core but
water in the flotation foam would be difficult to verify without
cutting one or more access ports (assuming there aren't any now). |
Wayne.B
Aug 22
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| I have been thinking the same except ....
I think Tom trailers the boat, meaning it is not left in the water. In
order to get much absorbed water through any sections of permeable glass you
would think it would have to sit the water more. Unless ... he has a leaking add-on below the waterline .... depth finder
head ... speedometer paddle wheel ... or a crack in the hull someplace. Eisboch |
Eisboch
Aug 23
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| Or unless it can leak in from above with rain water, spray, etc. |
Wayne.B
Aug 23
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| Sounds right to me! |
basskisser
Aug 23
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| That would be my first suspect, but it'd definitely be worth
while to make a serious hunt for those other problems too. A
crack in the hull might produce noticable noise & flexing
when underway, but then again it might not. Rain is a very seriouos culprit for trailerable boats....
also sinks more in-water boats than anything else. DSK |
DSK
Aug 23
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| I suggest you drill some test holes in the floor. It's no big deal. Use a
1/4 bit and go into the foam and see what it pulls up. Fill them with epoxy
mixed with filler like micro balloons or chopped glass. If you only want to
buy a small quantity of materials go to a local hobby shop. They sell small
quantities of all that stuff. You can debate this all you want but you
won't know if it's water logged or not until you drill into it. "Shortwave Sportfishing" <onetwothree@four.com> wrote in message |
James
Aug 23
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| There are three or four possibilities - A leaking live well fitting, a
collision of some sort prior to my purchase (which is possible knowing
who the guide was who had the boat before me) which was repaired on
the sly, something above the water like Wayne mentioned (leaking hatch
cover, etc) or a porous section of fiberglass which just doesn't seem
likely. Of the three, Wayne's was what I was thinking. The problem is how the
boat is built - all the hatches run into the hull which exits out the
drain plug - not all that unusual. If there is a blocked drain or
interior hull drain there would be 104 gallons of water in the hull.
That's a lot of water and would take up a lot of space which just
doesn't seem likely. Thus, the culprit is probably a combination of two things - bad foam
and leaking hatch covers. As of today, I'm still mulling this over. I'm really not in the mood
as the Remicade treatment this morning didn't go well and I'm in a
really mean mood - it's not a good time to discuss things with either
the builder or the dealer. :>) |
Shortwave
Aug 23
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| Hatch cover hinges. I explained a little more in my answer to Dick's
comment. |
Shortwave
Aug 23
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| Good points - we'll see. |
Shortwave
Aug 23
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| True, but I ain't drilling holes in that boat until ilt's absoutely
necessary. You can be as cavalier about my boat as you want, but it's my boat and
there ain't no way I'm going to drill holes on purpose on a perfectly
maintained boat just to find something out. I'll exhaust all other options before we get to that. |
Shortwave
Aug 23
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| My live well was not formed as part of the deck, but was screwed up
underneath the deck prior to it's installation. Apparently, they forgot to
caulk the seam where the well met the deck. I didn'd realize this for a
couple years, until a couple coils rusted up. Then the mechanic asked me
where all the water was coming from. I traced it to the live well. The
water would slosh around and come out the uncaulked seam. Luckily, what
came out eventually went into the bilge. But, it's worth looking into.
-- ***** Hope your day is great! ***** John |
JohnH
Aug 23
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