Fishing for the cycle...
So I went out tonight just to mess around up at Webster Lake. Started
with a very nice 3 lb largemouth then a 3 lb smallmouth and hit a
beautiful 21" pickerel all on a purple Senko of all things.At that point I decided to see if I could hit a full cycle of known
fish species in the lake. I had some really awful smelling blood bait
from the last time I went cat fishing at Mashapaug in Union, so I
reset one pole for cat fishing and hit a good size (1 1/2 lb) bulhead
(sometimes known as a horn pout, yellow pout, etc.) and a decent stone
cat off the gravel bed near Webster Memorial Beach. Cats are just
soooo easy. :>) At that point, I felt it just wouldn't be complete without a bluegill,
pumpkin seed and crappie. Got 'em on ultra light spinning rig with minnow shaped 1/8 ounce jigs. So, got the cycle. Now if I could only find those pike that are continuously rumored to
be in the lake. WHOO HOO!! |
Shortwave
Aug 27
2006
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| Harry, I was surprised to learn that most of Maine Lobsters are grown in pens,
are you basing this on anything more than your last trip to Maine? |
Reginald
Aug 27
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| That's for sure. |
Wayne.B
Aug 27
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| Try reading for content, numnutz. Most of the lobstermen with whom I
visited grow lobsters in pens. Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine
lobsters are grown in pens." These same lobstermen, many of them, also
use traditional pots. These pens, by the way, are not on land. They're off the shore a ways,
perhaps a mile, typically in coves around the islands. Some of them are
run as cooperatives. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| If there's a tougher way for a small businessman to make an everyday
living, I'm not aware of it. Working on these small lobsterboats is
brutal, backbreaking, dangerous and not really renumerative. The price
these guys get on the docks for their "harvest" bear little relationship
to what you pay at the stores. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| statement, and it sounded a little far fetched. If you did write that
statement, doesn't it say Maine lobsters are mostly grown in holding
pens these days? |
Reginald
Aug 27
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| Harry needs to learn that when caught in a BS story it's best to just 'fess
up. I'd love to learn just where these massive lobster pens are located.
Let's be clear; no one is raising lobsters in pens in Maine for commercial
use. The only island Harry has visited is Fantasy Island. |
John
Aug 27
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| "Reggie," there isn't anything you post here that interests me.
Play your d.f. games with someone else, ok? I'll be glad to consider taking you seriously when you have a real
identity here. Good night. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| Harry,
When I first read that statement I thought you might have actually knew
something about the Maine lobster industry, based upon your
overreaction to my simple question to your statement, it seems I hit a
sensitive nerve. Sorry. |
Reginald
Aug 27
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| As one example, f.w., there are onshore and offshore lobster pounds and
on Swans Island. In fact, there is an institute in Maine for the
pounding of lobsters. Here is a webpage that shows a Maine lobster pen and pound that has been
operating for more than 100 years. http://www.riverviewlobsterpoundcottages.com/aworkingmainelob.html Now, Wentworth, you can go back to pounding your pud. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| It appears that this is a holding pen, much like that used extensively in
Canada. They are not "raising" lobsters, just holding lobsters over to
maximize profits. It's not a crime to be wrong Harry, if it were you'd be doing 20-to-life. |
John
Aug 27
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| Ahh, you've inspected that pound and all the others, too? I should have
known. There are any number of pound/pens in Maine that raise or hold
lobsters, or both. There are some that operate only in the colder,
rougher water winter months, and some that run all year long. One of the
pens I visited while on Swans Island was offshore a bit, and attended to
by at least three different lobstermen, who made daily trips to inspect
the pen and toss in food. The first time I saw it, I asked, "what are
doing with that?" and the answer was, "growing lobsters." I think you've found yourself a great little playmate in Reggie. The two
of you ought to get together for a beer. Reggie will be the one wearing
the paper bag over his head, because he's afraid someone - anyone -might
find out who he is. You'll be easier to recognize: http://tinyurl.com/9much |
Harry
Aug 27
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| Harry, I'm done with this. Every six months or so I disable my killfile to
see just what BS you're throwing at the moment. You never fail to make the
visit worthwhile. You lie as naturally as others breathe, and conjure up an
amazing amount of indignation when caught. You have provided many hours of
amusement over the years, please don't stop your posts. I'll see you in 6
months. |
John
Aug 27
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| Holy smokes. In a three year period where they were permitted to take just
under 30 million pounds, they under-reported by 100 million pounds? That
means they exceeded their limit by more than 300%? |
NOYB
Aug 28
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| I'm not sure how those two statements differ. |
NOYB
Aug 28
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| It looks very similar to me. |
Reginald
Aug 28
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| That's contrary to what we've been told in Maine. Just from our
observation, many of them are driving new heavy duty trucks, and party
hearty on week ends. Not saying it's an easy job, but it does look
rewarding for those who work at it. And I don't think you could pay
them enough to take an office job. |
Wayne.B
Aug 28
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| My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that lobster pounds in Maine
are used for holding lobster that are caught by conventional means,
until ready for market. Sometimes that means waiting for better
seasonal pricing. |
Wayne.B
Aug 28
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| The lobster pound in the link Harry provided is exactly that, as they
say on the web page it allows them to "buy low and sell high". |
Reginald
Aug 28
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| A. You're not done.
B. You're lying.
C. It doesn't matter what you do, here or elsewhere.
D. You remind me of a little boy with a peashooter who, after firing off
a shot, shoves the tube down his pants pocket and says, "Who, me?"
and then runs and hides. |
Harry
Aug 28
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| Might I suggest Linda Greenlaw's most excellent book "The Lobster
Chronicles : Life On a Very Small Island". Ms. Greenlaw has some
measure of fame as the female swordfish boat captain in "Perfect
Storm". Give you a pretty good idea of what's what with lobstering. |
Shortwave
Aug 28
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| Last year in NE, commercial catches were under reported by almost 70%. There just aren't enough inspectors around. |
Shortwave
Aug 28
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| \ But that's the whole point. Non-farmed fish is not a resource that
"belongs" to the commercial fishermen. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| I understand and I agree. That is why I posted the figures and the links.
The tonnage of fish taken by commercial fisherman is unbelievable. Although we do need them to supply us with fish, both at the market and
restaurants I wonder how much of the catch is exported? |
Aug 27
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| Who does it belong to, why does it belong to them and what is the basis
of their claim to ownership? Your answer can open up a can of worms that will lay yourself open to a
charge of being a hypocrite, again. |
Bert
Aug 27
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| I started earlier that I believe non-farmed marine resources belong to
everyone and to no one. I have always been opposed to large-scale
"harvesting" of resources such as these, "harvesting" of trees in the
national forests, sale of oil and reserves that are under public lands,
et cetera. I do believe there should be severe limits on the the gross
exploitation of non-farmed marine life. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| Do you own your the land around your house? |
Bert
Aug 27
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| What's your point here, Bert? My house does not sit on public land. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| Ownership of the resource determines how the resource can be utilized? |
Bert
Aug 27
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| To a limited degree, sometimes. For land, zoning is an issue, as is the
availability of water, sewage, roads, et cetera. There are also building
codes and various restrictions. This is for private land, of course. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| Are you sure about that? References? |
Wayne.B
Aug 27
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| And more and more often nowadays, strict conservation laws, state and town,
to determine what you can do with "your" land. Eisboch |
Eisboch
Aug 27
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| I'm sure that Harry's information will come as a complete surprise to the
Maine lobstermen, as they still have thousands of lobster pots set off the
coast of Maine. Or maybe they know, but keep setting traps just to please
the folks from away. Holding lobsters in pens is common in Canada, but not raising them in pens. |
John
Aug 27
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| My last trip to Maine, where I spent three weeks on various islands and
in the company of lobstermen. Most of them grow their lobsters in pens,
check on them daily, and harvest them when they reach legal size or larger. Note that there are many lobstermen who still use individual pots. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| Northern? Any muskie in there? Both great fighting fish but quite finicky and tough to catch. If I remember, it takes 1,000 casts to catch a muskie. We went after muskie
at Lake Chautauqua in NY about a dozen years ago. You could see the damn
things warming themselves in 10" of water but they would not go after any
sort of lure. Trying it in deep water was equally nonproductive. I have
yet to catch one. Northern pike used to populate Lake Erie, in fact my Dad had a nice one he
caught and mounted I don't know if they are still around in the Lake as I
have not heard of anyone catching one in recent years. |
Aug 26
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| Supposedly. There are pike in several natural lakes in the area that |
Shortwave
Aug 27
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| Yep. I have never seen one and only heard stories about them. But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on Lake Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this time not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on the Lake
that we did not see in past decades. >
> Too damn bad they are extinct - them's was good eatin'. :>) Never had one. |
Aug 26
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| If you are about my age, I'll bet you did. Staple of Friday night fish fries along the Great Lakes. |
Shortwave
Aug 27
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| Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting sportfishing
almost everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf coasts, but I had no
idea it was a problem in the inland lakes, too. A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with their
gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of certain
sections of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and I have no idea
what the answers might be. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| Another reason to join CBF again: http://www.cbf.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=19243
-- ***** Hope your day is great! ***** John |
JohnH
Aug 27
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| Well, take RI for example. Every year,they permit ARCO Bait to loot
Narragansett Bay for menhaden - two boats, with spotter planes, to
just strip the bay in the Spring. Clubs and environmentalists bitch
and complain, but they get the permit every single year. And they take the menhaden and sell them to bait shops up and down the
East Coast. How does that figure? And every year, they permit a Russian factory ship to process herring. That's the DEM we're talking about here. |
Shortwave
Aug 27
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| Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the catch of 9.5
million pounds of yellow perch annually. Commercial fishing for walleye in
US waters is banned. There were a series of indictments against commercial
fishing companies for their under reporting catches of yellow perch from
2001 to 2003 by over 100 million pounds. Canada takes out 3.4 million pounds of yellow perch and 7 million pounds of
walleye annually from Lake Erie. Commercial fishing in Lake Erie was the result of the blue pike becoming
extinct. |
Aug 27
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| I'm not sure I understand why non-farm grown fish, which, in reality,
belong to all of us and none of us, should be harvested commercially.
Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these
days, although there are many lobstermen who still use individual traps.
But these rugged individuals are NOT hauling up tons and tons of
lobsters with every haul, and their catches are closely regulated. |
Harry
Aug 27
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| Commercial fishing in the Great Lakes (US and Canada) nets 64 million pounds
of fish each year. The take from Lake Erie alone is 23.5 million pounds of
fish, even though it is the second smallest of the Great Lakes. |
Aug 27
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| There was 400 million pounds of fish taken by commercial fishermen out of
the port of Reedville, Virginia, second highest of all major US coastal
ports: http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF_LPORT_YEARP.RESULTS New Bedford, Massachusetts ranks number one for total dollar value of the
catch: http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/MF_LPORT_YEARD.RESULTS An interesting site: http://www.st.nmfs.gov/st1/commercial/ |
Aug 27
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