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Holy Smoke!!!

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/newsdesk/20060814154923ibinews.html

Another rogue judge appointed for life.

Shortwave
Sep 15
2006
The fishermen need to take this up to a higher judge or the Supreme Court. There was a case like that here, although it involved a trout stream whose banks were owned or leased (don't remember) by Trout Unlimited. TU didn't want any non-snobs using "their water". They got VERY badly spanked in court. JoeSpareBedroom
Sep 16
This ruling should be applauded by land owners who feel that private property rights should supercede public access. Chuck
Sep 15
>property rights should supercede public access.

I'm sure it will be, but it's an odd ruling in that there already was an established Federal guide which this judge has just junked.

There is potential here for some problematic issues like access to beach front for example.

Shortwave
Sep 16
My only experience with the beach front idea comes from reading endless newspaper articles about it when I lived on the South Fork of L.I. IIRC, the law was so vague that it was eventually rewritten to say "forget riparian rights - the beach is not yours no matter how many millions you paid for the house". So, you can walk from Shinnecock all the way to Montauk without being accosted. JoeSpareBedroom
Sep 16
In minnesota, the public water goes to the "ordinary high water mark". I thought these sorts of things were state issues. Del
Sep 15
This will be resolved at the SC. John
Sep 16
They were - until now. Ordinary is mean and that is pretty much the Federal standard.

Now, at least for LA, it's precedent for low water mark.

Shortwave
Sep 16
You do realize that LSU law school isn't a standard or ordinary law school right? Shortwave
Sep 16
>> rights only to the mean high water mark. Basically, this judge is gfretwell
Sep 16
Mississippi has always been federal, not state law. Is part of the agreements of statehood. Calif
Sep 16
I did a Google on U.S. District Judge Robert G. James, Federal Judge Robert G. James or Judge Robert G. James and I come up empty.

Hoax?

Sep 15
Nope - he's real.

I just received an email from a friend who is an attorney and is also a recreational fisherman.

Apparently, this decision affects hunting and fishing only - it does not affect normal recreational boating.

The case involves property rights and he went into the whole thing about riparian property rights and it got confusing for a non lawyer like myself.

Here are some excerpts from the RFA on the case.

"In this case, the local Sheriff is arresting fishermen while they fish the edges and banks of the Mississippi River even while the water is directly connected to the Mississippi River, and even when the water is ten or twenty or thirty feet deep. The Sheriff will arrest fishermen unless they stay in the River on areas that are always covered by water at normal low water. The Sheriff’s arrests are made at the request of local landowners who are intent on claiming the fishing waters of America’s navigable Rivers as their exclusive domain."

"If he fishermen on the Mississippi River can be pushed to the center of the main channel, then America’s fishermen on all the other navigable rivers are destined for the same threatening treatment. If the Sheriff wins this case, recreational fishing on public waters is a thing of the past."

"This case has been ongoing for ten (10) years and is the culmination of the public access fight by fishermen to access public waters to fish. The Plaintiffs have asserted that navigable waters are useable across the entire surface of the navigable waterway for boating and fishing. The riparian owners assert that public boating and fishing is limited to the main channel. "

Which is interesting because federal law only allows private property rights only to the mean high water mark. Basically, this judge is rewriting the law to make the new boundary the mean low water mark.

I wonder if the judge owns any river front property?

Shortwave
Sep 15
Nope.

James, Robert Gillespie Born 1946 in Ruston, LA

Federal Judicial Service: Judge, U. S. District Court, Western District of Louisiana Nominated by William J. Clinton on January 27, 1998, to a seat vacated by John M. Shaw; Confirmed by the Senate on July 31, 1998, and received commission on August 3, 1998.

Education: Louisiana Tech University, B.A., 1968

Louisiana State University Law School, J.D., 1971

Professional Career: Private practice, Ruston, Louisiana, 1971-1998 Business law instructor, Louisiana Tech University, 1992-1998 Judge, Ruston City Court, Louisiana, 1985-1998

Race or Ethnicity: White

Gender: Male

NOYB
Sep 16
   

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