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Fuel price, shmuel price.....boats selling at record numbers in Wash state

I guess it just goes to show that we boaters, (who pursue a pastime that doesn't make any financial sense) will not be deterred when a single element, such as the price of fuel, makes less sense than ever.

It's interesting to note that these figures are for the 3rd quarter; before the election season rollback of gas and diesel prices really began.

>From the report:

New boats sold by dealers for the 3nd Quarter were up 6.6 percent The dollar value of new boats sold by dealers during the quarter was $110M, up from $93M, an increase of 18.5 percent 3rd Quarter New Boat Sales by Dealers (Units Sold Comparison) 2002: 2,430 2003: 2,828 2004: 2,935 2005: 3,116 2006: 3,321 Overall boat sales (combined new and used) were up 0.9 percent during the quarter totaling $260M

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I can get into the specifics as far as number of boats in various size groups, if anybody has an interest, but it is significant that unit volume was only up 6.6 percent but dollar volume was up 18.5%. Clearly, some portion of that is due to retail price increases but it also indicates that people buying boats in record numbers are buying more expensive models. I would estimate that with 3321 new boat units selling for $110M the average sale has to be around $30,000. That doesn't sound like much; but it's important to remember that this report includes dinghies, cartop boats, and a lot of other vessels that sell in big volumes for cheap numbers. Upper end boats have to be selling well to bring the average up to $30,000.

Chuck
Oct 25
2006
You really should read your posts before you reply. Dan
Oct 28
ROTF!

So Kevin still continues to sniff every post I make. I thought that boy finally learned his lesson but obviously I was wrong.

Maybe I should take him out of my KF (the non boater Reggie stays there so he can play with himself) so I can once again get my daily laughs. ;-)

Oct 27
I was thinking that the DMV gets a copy of all the sales. you just do not have to register it, if it is under a certain length and no motor. Calif
Oct 26
I can't say that's true either. What if you buy the boat out of state?

As I understand it, only vessels with engines have to be registered in this state. If it doesn't have a engine, it doesn't have to be registered and all the reporting to the town goes through the DMV.

In fact, I don't believe it's like a car either. When I bought my Ranger, for example, I had to go to the Registry to have it registered as there was no previous record of it being in this state. Same with the Halman - it's not registered in this state either. And now that I think about that (I know - I'm old, thinking can be a slow process) I know of several boats in my old marina that weren't registered because there weren't any engines on the boat.

Short
Oct 26
In California, there is a length limit on the no motor, not registration thing. Otherwise, you would not have to register your America's cup boat, and the state would not like losing taxes. Calif
Oct 26
Whatever. JimH
Oct 26
As usual! basskisser
Oct 27
What an intelligent and interesting come back..... Yeah....that's it..... basskisser
Oct 27
From boatsafe on boating safety classes:

"This course covers basic boating safety concepts that you need to know if you intend to participate in water sport activities. It has been designed by marine educators to provide information to people who might not otherwise have the opportunity to receive it. You can progress at your own pace and on your own time schedule. Any questions you have will be promptly answered by email. Your progress through the review quizzes is monitored by a boating instructor who offers comments and clarification when necessary. Please feel free to ask questions and make suggestions throughout the course."

DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY DEMOCRATS.

"This Basic Boating Safety Course gives only the minimum requirements for safety equipment and general information. To obtain a greater knowledge of boating skills and seamanship we encourage you to attend more in-depth boating courses."

For more information go to:http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/boating/

Get it?

Oct 25
I don't believe the voters in your state are listening to you. :>) Harry
Oct 25
Actually he was wrong. Referring to his conservative friends. At least Bassy is not conservative. And not sure about the friendship part either. Calif
Oct 26
Seeing the change in under 10'. Do they report kayak sales to the DMV? That is one of the few catagories of boat under 10' where there would be large numbers of sales. Calif
Oct 26
I was guessing inflatables with an outboard. Most states do not require registration for unpowered craft. Wayne.B
Oct 26
And that is the case in Washington. If you don't hang a motor on it, you can have a 60-foot rowboat and pay no registration fees.

PWC's are included in the "under 10-foot" category, but I have no evidence that PWC sales are up. A lot of people say, "Been there, done that," and the glitz is now off the fad.

Chuck
Oct 25
Omigosh, JimH! Are you suggesting that my casual observation that fuel prices have been declining as the election approaches is some sort of statement advising people not to vote for any Republicans?

How in the world did you arrive at that interpretation? After all, aren't the Republicans overseeing this current, miraculous, nosedive in fuel prices? I would think the average American would be grateful to the Republicans for reducing the price of gas. Right?

You're barking up the wrong tree on this one.

Chuck
Oct 25
Same in CT. Although I've never figured out if you have to pay excise Short
Oct 26
No, he's just barking - period. Another serious non-contributor. Wayne.B
Oct 26
I agree. He is trying his best to stir up some shit, Chuck's one line comment concerning the election and the effect on gas prices, wither correct or incorrect, was not meant to start a political discussion or bash anyone or their politics, but to discuss the effect gas prices have on boat sales.

He slams Chuck, and then tells Chuck to "drop it".

Reginald
Oct 26
Why the need to politicize this Chuck?
Oct 25
>groups, if anybody has an interest,

Me do. :>)

Short
Oct 25
It's called economics, Jim. You do realize that typically, fuel prices do tend to go downward close to an election, don't you? basskisser
Oct 25
????????????

Is there some question about, or is it somehow a matter of "political opinion", that fuel prices are dropping and that an election is imminent?

It's a simple statement of fact that 3rd quarter boat sales were strong despite the fact that for most of the 3rd quarter there was no relief from high fuel prices in sight.

It's also a simple fact that for generations incumbent politicians from both parties have "jawboned" to the best of their ability to frame the economy in the best possible light pior to a major election.

Why the need to pull one line out of context and ignore the rest of the message?

Chuck
Oct 25
Give me a break. You obviously inferred (and made similar comments about it
Oct 25
>that doesn't make any financial sense) will not be deterred when a JohnH
Oct 25
New boat sales:

The greatest change in unit volume was in the smallest boat category of under 10 -feet. 3Q05 was 871 units, 3Q06 was 975 units.

11-14 feet was just a bit stronger 3Q06 than 3Q05, up three units to 462

15-18 feet was off 83 units, down from 1139 to 1056

19-22 feet was up 59 units, from 1044 to 1103

23-26 feet was up slightly, from 277 to 281

27-30 feet was off just slightly, dropping from 63 units 3Q05 to 53 units 3Q06

31-34 feet may have picked up some of the buyers dropped in the previous category, as boats in this range were up from 27 units to 31

Numbers were off a bit in the 34-50 foot range, but not significantly. (The portion of the market over 34 feet only represents a small percentage of total new boat sales.

35-38 feet, down 4 units to 22

39-42 feet, down 2 units to 17

43-46 feet, down 2 units to 6

47-50 feet, down 4 units to 7

More of the larger boat categories were up, rather than down.

51-54 feet, up 2 units to 5

55-58 feet, up 2 units to 5

59-62 feet, dropped from 2 units 3Q05 to 1 unit 3Q06

63-66 feet, up an infinite percentage. 3 units sold 3Q06, no sales in this category last year

67-70 feet, one sale in 3Q06, vs. 2 sales 3Q05

Over 70-feet, same as last year, 1 unit sold in the 3rd quarter.

Over all categories, new boat sales were up from 3955 to 4029, (best 3rd quarter in a long time) and dollar volume was up by a much greater percentage.

Under propulsion: (this categoory is notoriously inaccurate, as some sailboat dealers check off "inboard" or "outboard" depending upon the type of auxiliary power the boat is rigged with)

Outdrive units: 1150

Inboard: 664

Jet drive: 856

Outboards: 1293

Sailboats: 27

"unknown": 39

(Balance would be rowing or paddle boats)

Chuck
Oct 25
Yep!
Oct 25
> >The greatest change in unit volume was in the smallest boat category of >under 10 -feet. >3Q05 was 871 units, 3Q06 was 975 units

Thanks - interesting.

Is this nationwide?

Short
Oct 25
ps. I don't receive jimmh's posts. JohnH
Oct 25
I don't have figures that are as current or as reliable for the entire country. The WA state numbers are based upon sales reported to the DMV for boat registration purposes, and the data is collected by a non-profit organization call Sea Grant. I have a strong faith that the WA state numbers in this report are very accurate.

Even though we talk about a "national" economy, most of the time it's more accurately a connected series of regional economies. Up here in the NW we tend to be contrarian- we often do pretty well when a lot of the rest of the country is cooling off, and we have been known to be on our collective enomonic butts around here while everybody else is cutting a phat hog.

An equally accurate national survey would probably find pockets like ours where boat sales are holding up fairly well or even increasing in most categories. There may some places still relying on the ever dwindling industrially based and manufacturing economic model where there is less reason for optimism and a bit more "caution" in play.

Few people will splurge for an expensive luxury, like a new boat, if they feel apprehensive about future income and employment. The majority of people I encounter every day are not very apprehensive.

Chuck
Oct 25
He then said:
Oct 25
Guilty as charged. As well as a new car salesperson, sales manager, GM, and managing partner in a new car dealership. I was fairly good at the trade, and "fortune" is a relative term. :-) Chuck
Oct 25
   

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