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e-tec problems

Just passing & thought I'd paste you some of the posts, damn this is really going to be more fun to watch than ficht:-)

Lean at power, poor atomisation, too low an injection pressure, lack of lube.

Take care.

K

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Re: Yamaha 4 Stroke vs Evinrude E-TEC (gpe2468) 10:55 AM 6/16/2006

The other day i spoke to someone whos on his 4th powerhead on a BRAND NEW Etec. What a piece of garbage. Ive also read a couple of people here on the forum complaining about there Etecs as well. My buddy did get a sweet compensation tho....free oil .

Given your personal expereinces with your yammies why would you ever consider changing to an Etec

I personally own a Fuel Inj 150 yammie and run it on an 18 Actioncraft. Iam as happy as a pig in . Boat runs at 52-53 and cruises at 45 no problemo, regardless of load.

My advice.....Yammie, hands down

Modified by Action 18 at 10:55 AM 6/16/2006

E-TEC Issues 9:27 AM 10/24/2006

I have a 2006 Bluewater 2350 w/ 250hp E-TEC. The motor is almost 11 months old and I have had a rash of problems.

-Needed hub cooling kit, kept spinning props -Needed deflector pin upgrade because of poor idling and fouled plugs -Bad iCommand power cable harness -Replaced entire trim/tilt unit -Blown lower unit (just this past weekend)

I was wondering who else is having problems. This is not a 'bash evinrude' thread. I really like what the E-TEC was designed to do so maybe I just have the 1 lemon out of 1000. I have found a good local dealer here in Tampa (Don's Outboards) and they've been taking good care of me.

Thoughts

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Re: E-TEC Issues (Jeffishin') 9:54 AM 10/24/2006

Deflector pins here also and blown power head in 4 months of use.... Switching over to Suzuki's... If that helps.

my twin '06 200 ho have been in the shop 8 times since june and going for 9 next week. plugs, pins, lower unit, overheat alarms (multiple times), no oil alarms (multiple times), gauges and poor fuel economy.

Modified by mike c at 5:58 PM 10/24/2006

I run mine with 50:1 oil. I am not convinced that 100:1, even with synthetic oil, is a good idea. I'll wait a couple of years and let you other guys blow up the powerheads before deciding.

Mine break down more than a DC-8.

But in all seriousness I bought mine for a couple reasons and they have only actually fulfilled one. I thought they would look nicer on my boat because they are white and with everything else on my boat being white they dont seem to have a harsh contrast to the rest of my boat. I really like that part of them. Cant say much for the rest.

I had a few problems early with my engines but I really like them, they run hard and I've pushed them hard. the issues that I have had Evinrude has take care of and I've been happy with the service and use of them.

-Needed deflector pin upgrade because of poor idling and fouled plugs -Bad iCommand power cable harness -Blown powerhead on delivery

Even though I had issue with them I don't regret purchasing them.

I have the 115 and the problems I have been having are with the wiring. For example I had a wire that was rubbing against a head bolt for a year and then when I was 15 miles offshore the engine died. I got a tow back in but I found out. That the head bolt had rubbed the plastic covering off the wire and when ever the wire touched the head bolt the engine would die. That was the biggie but I have had other problems that I have never had with my old merc. But it looks soo sweet on my boat.

-Needed deflector pin upgrade because of poor idling and fouled plugs -Bad iCommand power cable harness -Blown powerhead on delivery

just because hey say that the engines have no SCHEDULED maintenance doesn't mean you don't have to do it it just means they don't tell you when to do it.

Oh what have I gotten myself into now. Brand new 250 etec with 6 hrs on it. The trim/tilt switch on the binaacle has quit, but the one on the motor still works and it overheated while trolling this weekend. Bad I command guages delayed the delivery of the boat too. After all of the talk about power heads going I am really afraid mine will go beacuse I am running the 100:1 and it will strand me offshore. Then I will fix it sell the boat and get another one made with the 300zuke.

I have an '05 225 E-tec that I had rigged in May of '05 and currently have just over 300 hours on it. The following is a list of issues: 1. Crank Position sensor changed 2. Deflector Pins changed 3. Low pressure fuel pump changed 4. Hub cooling kit installed 5. several sets of spark plugs

Main issue was bogging down after several hours of high speed trolling. Since the low pressure fuel pump has been changed, I have not had the issue again.

In addition, as the BRP team tested the setup on the bright blue metalflake Bullet, the new gearcase began to exhibit a few problems. The extreme engine height required to extract the best top speeds from the combo began to take its toll, and the unit began to have problems heating up. The results almost halted the test; the Hydromotive prop it was turning began to experience hub failures (the plastic hub insert kept melting), and the lower unit’s bearing carrier began to lose its seals. In addition, the bearing carrier itself began to rotate inside the lower unit housing. In the end, Foy had to reseal the carrier and re-install it at a local dealer.

THe hub cooling kit/spun hub issues are a result of Evinrude not having done enough R&D on their new lower units for the E-TECs before bringing them to market. They had the same issues on the 225 E-TECs in the Bass and Walleye Boats 225 shootout with hubs melting and seals warping:

Here, this one is on topic.

Own a 90hp ETEC. Two blown powerheads in 300hrs of use , less than a year & 1/2 since purchased. Of course my oil warning came on too, but that's nothing. Having to get towed from 10 miles offshore . I can't complain about the customer service though. The first blown power head I was given a case of XD100 and a new SS Viper prop. The second time just a case of XD100. At this rate I won't have to buy oil......ever. I should be due for another break down and a case of oil. Other than two blown power heads, I have not had any other problems. Funny because last time I blew a power head, I made a post in the South General and it was removed. Seems like the moderators here can do what ever they want as long as it is in their interest.

I repowered with '05 200's (big blocks). I have had issues of oil alarm(s) on one engine & the oil pump/sensor replaced 2 times. Pin deflectors & MAP updates coincided with the Oil issues so I killed 2 birds with 1 stone. My port engine's lower unit was defective from the get go and was replaced. It did not break or strand me, but it hasn't left me with great feelings having purchased new engines that are having more problems than my old ones.

I was able to get the boat on plane & run in @ 36 mph on one engine. That was a surprise to me as I was pushing the one engine @ 4700 rpm. I did not want to take chances with the troubled engine, besides the engine would go into "safe" mode & prevent running it.

I have not been happy with all of the problems I have encountered. The service is great & they are quick to resolve issues. I just don't like having issues. I see that there really is a common list of issues alot of people are having. I don't get to use the boat that frequently & it when you experience problems with updates & breakdowns every other time it is used. My engines have 70 hours on them by the way.

I still have hope and I do hope I have worked out my engine's issues.

none

2006
So.....you have no idea, right? Larry
Nov 1
Everyone show their support for Karen! Who here believes her blather and who missed her?? basskisser
Nov 1
Everyone show their support for Karen! Who here believes her blather and who missed her?? basskisser
Nov 1
Yes, I did. But the point I was trying to make was that it wasn't all mucked up by regulations yet. I know the lawn mower is not going to escape forever. I've heard a lawn mower makes more emissions than a car on the highway for the same amount of time.

"Gene Kearns" <gene.boating@myworkshop.idleplay.net> wrote in message

James
Oct 31
How does E-Tec differ from Ficht? I've lost track of the fuel injected disasters of late....

Larry

Larry
Oct 31
Oh oh! Must be Halloween. The un-dead have risen again. Don
Nov 1
You'll need to wear a different model tin-foil hat to protect yourself from the slightly different radiation emitted by the E-Tecs, Larry. Available at WhackJobs-R-Us. RG
Nov 1
Harry...Skip...Karen... Could it be a family reunion? :^)

-Jim

Boaterdude
Oct 31
> > basskisser
Nov 1
Only "if" it suits me :-)

As for cherry picking well yes hands up to that, but hey when was your last or ever post about ficht e-tec where you gave other than your marketing BS??

Anyway yep back no intention ever to hide or no archive or any of that (sorry about the header had to crank the old mozilla up & didn't fix the name, oops). Did love your fuel use claims they're getting even worse:-)

K

ksmith
Kinda like a modern automobile engine, eh? 8>)

<snip>

ACP
Oct 31
On 31 Oct 2006 10:29:42 -0800, jamesgangnc penned the following well Gene
Oct 31
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene
Oct 31
>Re: Yamaha 4 Stroke vs Evinrude E-TEC (gpe2468) 10:55 AM 6/16/2006 If anybody would like to read the whole message thread on this, please to go here:

http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=501507

Short
Oct 31
The OP traces to Melbourne, Australia. You don't think she's back, do you? thunder
Oct 31
It's just the same old BS she's posted before, only this time she's cherry picked what she wanted leaving out all the other stuff.

One Note Samba.

Short
Oct 31
No such luck. Harry
Oct 31
Absolutely! There is no other person in the world that has this bitter, nasty attitude over a particular outboard motor! basskisser
Oct 31
>nasty attitude over a particular outboard motor!

......[been consumed by this irrational,] .....

....and yes, it appears with a new nom de plume and ISP.... she's back....

Gene
Oct 31
As overboard as she goes from a technical perspective I'm inclined to agree with some of it. To me one of the key things about the basic 2 stroke is it's simplicity. That's pretty much lost on these new 2 strokes. And it does seem that burning oil and reducing emissions are not exactly compatible. When the motorcycle industry was confronted with this problem they simply phased out the two strokes from the street and went all 4 stroke. I don't see any reason not to do the same with outboards. I know some people complain they are heavier. I think that will improve with time as volume allows more expensive lighter weight materials to be incorporated. And 4 strokes by design have a wider and smoother power band than 2 strokes can.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a two stroke fan. My boat is a v8 but all my lawn and garden equipment is two stroke. Of course it's not subject to any regulations yet so it's all still the way two strokes were meant to be, simple.

jamesgangnc
Oct 31
>not exactly compatible.

Ever see the independent test they did on comparable emissions between E-TECs and other two and four strokes?

It's pretty amazing.

With respect to the power band, mine is very smooth across the entire RPM limits. With the previous engine, I couldn't get a lot of bow lift out of it. With the same size E-TEC, same prop, bow lift up the wazoo.

I like to joke about "old/ancient" tech when it comes to four strokes, but they have some advantages too. When I wanted to repower my Ranger, I seriously considered four strokes, but dollar-for-dollar, pound-for-pound, the E-TEC just came up with more of what I wanted in an engine in terms of emissions, power, weight and efficiency.

And believe me, you can't beat their efficiency.

Short
Oct 31
It won't be long and she'll be gone again. Short
Oct 31
>agree with some of it. To me one of the key things about the basic 2 gene.boating
Oct 31
There is a big difference between the small engine changes and what they are doing to large 2 strokes. The small two strokes still use a premixed gas and oil and are still carburated. jamesgangnc
Oct 31
   

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