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Boating: Are reading and arithmetic skills required?

This is of some concern to me, since I'm hoping to get good advice here. I just pulled out of a thread here where I posted a black and white gov report. It was a written simply in plain English and had a few simple numbers. That OT thread is over for me and I want to get back to boating for a bit. But the response I got from a boater showed he was unable to read it clearly, and his math increased the costs shown by a factor of 6. Not naming names here, but I was shocked. What I'm afraid of is having somebody here recommend, say, a 240 hp motor when he really means 40 hp, and then the dealer calls me and says the boat is ready, but it sunk. Please tell me that was an aberration, and there's nothing to worry about, and that boaters have more of their senses working when they talk about boats than they do when talking about other subjects. BTW, do they have GPS units that talk?

--Vic

Vic
Nov 9
2006
The helium balloon is lighter than the air in the car and is displaced to the left as the air pressure on the right increases. -rick-
Nov 10
Is your wife a sculptor?

I was surprised to learn that most of the Mythbusters team, including one of the stars, are artists and sculptors. Which shouldn't have surprised me on second thought - there is a spatial component to being an artist that some engineers I've met never seem to quite grasp.

Short
Nov 11
But you said that "there's no air movement in the car". That's not true. The air molecules have inertia too. ;-) NOYB
Nov 11
Would it not move to the right first until the inertia of the weight of the balloon and string and the movement of the air was overcome by the displacement? Sounds like a good experiment to try the next time I have a helium balloon, of course real cars are not completely air tight. James
Nov 11
Such as? basskisser
Nov 11
I bought a set of side quides for my Princecraft - I just drop the tail gate, back 'er in. Pull the boat up and the guides center the boat smack dab in the middle.

And we have some tough state ramps up here on the small ponds. Never had a problem on or off.

I have seen, and I can't find a reference to them now, fiberglass rods with springs on them (almost like CB antenna springs, but smaller) that attach to the trailer with a side mount. I wish I could find them - I looked in Bass Pro, but they didn't have them.

Actually, now that I think about it, you could probably make up a set without much trouble and for a few bucks.

Short
Nov 10
I thought about that, but somebody would have to wade into the water to remove them before pulling the boat onto the trailer. I'll be fishing into December. Putting on chest waders to retrieve two spring mounted sticks is nuts. Way too much of a production, unless you're thinking of leaving them in place, and having the boat sort of just bend them down as I load it. JoeSpareBedroom
Nov 10
Light dawns on Marblehead. Short
Nov 10
Just for fun I asked my (art major) wife a physics question.

There is an airtight car with a helium balloon on a string attached to the center of the floor. There is absolutely no air movement in the car. The car is moving straight ahead at a constant speed and then makes a hard left turn. Which way does the balloon move relative to the car?

After about 1 second of thought she confidently answered "It moves to the left."

Being surprised that she got it right at all, let alone that quickly, I asked "how did you know that?".

"...Well, that's the way I'd lean..."

-rick-

-rick-
Nov 10
As the car turns left, the ballon keeps going straight...which means it moves to the right relative to the car. Your wife got the answer wrong. NOYB
Nov 11
I've done that for years.

It never seems to work though.

Short
Nov 10
Slight left turn: My statistical sample of two women says something's odd with all of them. Two examples:

1) You're watching a movie. Someone is about to say something VERY important to the plot of the movie, and it's plainly obvious to any regular person that it's going to be whispered. At that precise moment, women will say "pass the popcorn". It's always when you're watching something you can't rewind.

2) This has happened multiple times, so I know it's an absolute thing. I'm in the back of the boat, steering with the tiller on the outboard. We're in a river known for lots of floating tree chunks, travelling at log-appropriate speed. Woman's sitting up front, and claiming she will let me know if she sees anything. When she does, she announces it in a voice appropiate for the bedroom, not for a situation where there's 75 db of motor noise. When I (with great respect) mention this discrepancy, I'm told I'm grouchy.

JoeSpareBedroom
Nov 10
I've posted this story before .... can't remember if on this NG or not so forgive if it's a repeat, but here goes:

A few years ago we had the RV bug, thinking of using it for winter trips to Florida and other warms places. So, I went out and bought a 36' Pace Arrow class A motorhome ... looks like a bus. I drove it home and was attempting to back it into a narrow, tree lined, gravel parking spot that had a dog leg in it. The RV was equipped with a rear facing camera on the back that I could monitor from the driver's seat.

So, I asked Mrs.E. to go behind the RV and make sure I wasn't going to hit anything as I backed in. As I started to back up, she gave me the "come on back" signal with her hands, then suddenly started shaking her head from side to side. I jammed on the brakes. She looked up at the camera, and started to give me the hand signals to back up again. Started moving the rig backwards and she again started shaking her head violently from side to side. Jam on the brakes again.

This was repeated a couple of more times and I finally threw the RV in Park, jumped out and asked her why she was shaking her head everytime I started backing up. Her answer?

"I was saying, "No .... you are not going to hit anything"".

Eisboch

Eisboch
Nov 10
I get that at the boat ramp, sort of. She'll be 50 feet behind me on the dock, whispering advice. I'm finally getting her trained to stand close to the open window and yell. JoeSpareBedroom
Nov 10
My wife likes to find my blind spot when she's 'helping' me back up our sailboat down a 10' wide driveway. Don
Nov 10
You need help backing up a 16 foot Lund?

Pansy. :>)

Short
Nov 10
The boat's easy. It's the empty trailer. The hard tonneau cover means zero visibility. And, at night, it's invisible in the mirrors. JoeSpareBedroom
Nov 10
Yep.

Mrs. Wave now knows better than to try and give me backing advice, but in the early days, she would get out and help by "directing" me.

I didn't have the heart to tell her that whatever directions she gave me, I di the exact opposite. :>)

Short
Nov 10
You don't have side markers on the trailer?

And your still a pansy. :>)

Short
Nov 10
Side markers are for fags. JoeSpareBedroom
Nov 10
Them little boats are a pain to back up. Short wheelbase trailer, long wheelbase tow vehicle. And he should have side guides on the trailer. Both so he can see the trailer backing up and when there is wind or current at the retrieval ramp. Calif
Nov 10
I do that too! At first it pissed her off, now she realizes that I'm not being rude, I just really, really want her to shut up!!! basskisser
Nov 10
I've got a cart to pull behind my lawn tractor. From tongue to axle is probably three feet. Tractor wheelbase is about 4 feet maybe. That is the hardest thing I've ever backed up in my life. basskisser
Nov 10
I have yet to find guides that work. Part of this is due to the way my trailer's constructed. The frame beams are not closed boxes. They're sort of C-shaped. I tried a set of guides from Cabela's which were beautifully made, but they were a clamp-on affair. The clamps began to crush the frame. Not good.

My son suggested attaching driveway markers to big magnets, and just slapping them on the trailer when backing it in (without the boat). Then, he noticed that the water at most boat ramps is not something you want to wade in, but that's the only way to remove the markers before pulling the boat onto the trailer.

So, I just deal with it.

JoeSpareBedroom
Nov 10
Good question.

Yes they can, but no they don't. How's that for obfuscation?

Allow me to explain. Garmin makes general purpose handheld GPS units that use audio prompts when you use the Mapsource auto software, but as far as I know, no with the Bluechart marine software. In other words, the hardware is there to do it, but the marine software doesn't support it. As far as I know, and I must confess that I looked into this a while ago so things may have changed, marine software doesn't use a speech interface as auto software does.

The reason, as explained to me, is that marine mapping is different than auto mapping because of how the units are used. Additionally, marine use is generally different due to other factors like set/drift, wind, wave and the fact that on open water, you can pretty much go where you want as long as it's safe. Now, can you use a chartplotter functions with an audio alarm? Yes. Will it tell you you are at a waypoint or require some sort of course correction? Yes. Will it talk to you - not that I know of.

Short
Nov 10
54% of the population is stupid. Do you have any other questions? Would you like a recipe for chocolate-mascarpone mousse which works better than whatever drug it was that men were putting in women's drinks a few years back? JoeSpareBedroom
Nov 10
Pansy.. :>) Duke
Nov 10
I've asked some questions and will have plenty of questions as time Vic
Nov 9
You haven't tasted this stuff. This is better than whatever Keith Richard pumps into his veins. JoeSpareBedroom
Nov 10
This is crazy talk. JoeSpareBedroom
Nov 10
<explanation snipped>

>Thanks SWS, you've given me some info to dig into. > Short Wave, I've already come up with some info on the accuracy of GPS, which I pasted below. I still have more digging to do.

--Vic ** A woman in a hot air balloon realizes she is lost. She lowers her altitude and spots a man fishing from a boat below. She shouts to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am." The man consults his portable GPS and replies, "You're in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude. She rolls her eyes and says, "You must be a Democrat!" "I am," replies the man. "How did you know?" "Well," answers the balloonist, "everything you tell me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you're not much help to me." The man smiles and responds, "You must be a Republican." "I am," replies the balloonist. "How did you know?" "Well," says the man, "You don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and now you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but, somehow, now it's my fault."

Vic
Nov 10
I don't need a talking GPS.

I have a wife.

When I ask her where the off button is, she gets sulky and rude.

Wayne.B
Nov 10
ROTFL!!!!! Short
Nov 10
Once in a while, when required, I just point the TV clicker at Mrs.E. and frantically push buttons. Sometimes she gets the hint.

Eisboch

Eisboch
Nov 10
   

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