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Wow! Three islands saved from development and left for boaters to enjoy. It doesn't get any better than this. see.. 'Surprise Announcement' www.mahoneislands.ns.ca

note: a number of islands have been bought up by 'rich Americans' in the last few years...some completely stripped of forestry and signs erected warning locals to stay away.

Don
Dec 3
2006
>How truly amazing that you and the other combatants in this thing would >post your nasty, snide, and inflammatory comments in a public forum and >then get all pissy when somebody >keeps track of who said what.

It's Hard-Water season Chuck. It happens every year around this time. Sorry to belabor the obvious, but someone had to say it. :o) Mark E. Williams

Maynard
Dec 5
Asking for evidence is 'renewing a call for argument'? From where come your definitions, Chuck. -- John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

JohnH
Dec 5
For those keeping score1 point = 1 chuckie dot. Chuck; You are just a few points or dots away from the big PLONK! Keep up the good work. Jim Jim
Dec 5
Keep up the good work. Wayne.B
Dec 5
Thank you Chuck...that must be an early Christmas present! :-) Don
Dec 5
Don, let me know if you want any more Christmas presents, I have a ton of them here. Reginald
Dec 5
Yes...with the US ten times bigger and probably 20 times richer, I think Canada holds its own, although there are always calls from those who think we could do much more. Don
Dec 5
I could swear that you had posted at least one comment on that thread... maybe something about how much I'd sell Canada for... Don
Dec 5
It was supposed to be a good news story John...remember when you liked them... Don
Dec 5
At least I did not hypocritically claim that I "wasn't following" the thread.

How truly amazing that you and the other combatants in this thing would post your nasty, snide, and inflammatory comments in a public forum and then get all pissy when somebody keeps track of who said what.

Chuck
Dec 5
Chuck, I think you did a great job in reviving a thread that had died a natural death. Reginald
Dec 5
Me-ow.

Tedium piled upon tedium piled upon tedium.

Harry
Dec 5
My single post related to this thread was "nasty, snide, and inflammatory"? You make tough rules, Chuck.

Eisboch

Eisboch
Dec 5
Here's what I think is going on - Seasonal Affective Disorder.

Which means one of two things. Either a lot of the men here posting are really women (75% of afflicted people are women) or you are not getting out and about - getting enough wide spectrum light.

So here's what you folks should do.

Build a square box big enough to stick your head in as wide as your shoulders and about a foot tall.

Install florescent lights inside the box at the top - two will do - about 10k lux.

Place on head and turn the lights on. 30 minutes is usually about right.

That should solve everything. :>)

Or turn you into a ginger bred man. :>)

Short
Dec 5
A good news story wouldn't lay blame on Americans for ruining your islands, especially without proof. -- John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

JohnH
Dec 5
Don't give yourself so much credit. The group remarks in general included some that were nasty, snide, and inflammatory. Yours were merely inflammatory, challenging Don White to somehow prove or disprove that Canadians are more generous than Americans. Sounds like a first class boating topic to me. (Unless you'd want to call your later remark to me "snide", but I wasn't including that in my reference).

Inflammatory remarks and all trolls should be posted in rec.bAITs.

For a guy who only scored one point, before I gave up keeping score, you sure got your hackles up in a hurry.

Why wouldn't it be fairly obvious that remarks posted to a public forum will be noticed by somebody? So, the question is this: Is it the greater offender who comments on the quality and content of the remark, or the greater offender who posts the remarks to begin with?

Chuck
Dec 5
In my case my less than jovial mood is a result of ingesting about 1/2 the number of calories I used to take in for the past 7 weeks.

For anyone interested in an engineering approach to exercise, dieting ... plus a goodly number of other interesting things, visit John Walker's website. Walker was the founder and president of Autodesk (AutoCad). He sold it in the late 80's (or maybe in 1990) and has returned to his favorite pastime .... writing computer code. His "Hacker's Diet" is a very interesting and humorous POV on weight loss and exercise and is a good read even if you aren't dieting. The preface and introduction gives a good overview of his approach.

From there you can link to his other websites where he covers subjects from astrology to mathematics. He offers free downloads of some interesting programs he has written as well.

I spent a couple of hours last night on his sites and found them to be toughly enjoyable.

Eisboch

Eisboch
Dec 5
Sorry .... forgot to provide the link:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/

Eisboch

Eisboch
Dec 5
>greater offender who comments on the quality and content of the remark, >or the greater offender who posts the remarks to begin with?

I'll say the same thing to you that I told my good friend JohnH.

It's one and the same. Somebody makes a facile and silly comment and you feel you have to add to it?

School yard rules - he did so why can't I?

It's one thing to post something like you did as a funny ha-ha - I've done it in the past and it can be amusing.

You on the other hand took it one extra step too far and it stopped being funny ha-ha and took on the same tone as the original posts. There are such things as funny once, no funny twice.

In that scenario, who is the greater offender - the original poster or the one who perpetuates it?

I'd say you are just as much an offender as anybody who participated in that.

Short
Dec 5
The right to own other humans was a traditional concept cherished by many as well.....doesn't make it right or desirable. P
Dec 4
Which is your right as the owner to set deed restrictions etc. P
Dec 4
If I recall correctly from dealing in Mexico, they restricted ownership of (at least) ocean front property from non nationals....the way around it was a Meican entity to hold the title, with all the rights going to the investor/developer. There are always ways around stupid laws such as that.
Dec 4
You should give some thought to obtianing a pair of Swedish au-pairs. Bert
Dec 4
Yet people still want to live there. Fairfax county has jobs, jobs, and more jobs with good schools and the best thing is that it is in a right to work state. Bert
Dec 4
It's all about retirement and taxes. Bert
Dec 4
I bet you're a cracker jack at slithering & sliding around and over legitimate laws. Don
Dec 5
You are the one that asked for help on growing your pot crop. Forgot that part also? Calif
Dec 5
Scoring the thread.

First insult hurled by JohnH; referring to a group of Canadians as "dumb asses".

Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread;

First press for an argument, JohnH demanding a clarification that it was indeed "Americans" who bought up the islands.

Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread.

First catty remark, Don White.

Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread;

Second challenge for an argument, and on a personal level, Reggie Smithers.

So far:

Insults, John H 1, others 0 Challenge for arrument, JohnH 1, Reggie 1, others 0 Catty remark, Don White 1, others 0

Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread.

Second in your face challenge to provoke an argument, Reggie Smithers

Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread.

First political reference, Don White

Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread:

Two points to Reggie. One for perpetuating an argument and another political point for comparing Canada to Castro's Cuba

Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread.

One point to Don White, for a third party personal remark.

Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread,

One point to Don White for a sarcastic personal insult

Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread,

One point to Eisboch for extending the scope of the political argument

Subtotal so far;

Personal remarks, Don White 1, others 0 Insults, JohnH 1, Don White 1, others 0 Invitations for argument, JohnH 1, Reggie 3, others 0 Catty remarks, Don White 1, others 0 Political remarks, Don White 1, Reggie 1, Eisboch 1

Chuck
Dec 4
Two points to Fritz, one for additionally politicizing the discussion and another for a personal remark about "donny". Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread: One point to Thunder for a personal remark Chuck
Dec 4
Scoring the thread.

Two points Basskisser. One for an insulting remark and a second for a political reference to the RNC.

Subtotals so far:

Personal remarks: Don White, P Fritz, Thunder (one each) Insults: John H, Don White, Basskisser (one each) Argumentative challenges: JohnH 1, Reggie Smithers 3 Catty remarks: Don White, 1 Political Statements: JohnH 1, Don White 1, Eisboch 1, Fritz 1, Basskisser 1

Chuck
Dec 4
Two points to JohnH. One for a third party personal remark, another for renewing a call to argue . Chuck
Dec 4
Another point for JohnH, renewing a call for argument Chuck
Dec 4
That's part of the picture. This seems to be a fairly objective overview.

http://www.citizenjoe.org/node/132

-rick-
Dec 4
And the winner..... by a landslide!

Da -ta-ta- da ......

Chuck Gould .... with over 15 sarcastic comments on thread that otherwise did not involve him.

Congratulations, Chuck.

Eisboch

Eisboch
Dec 5
~~ sniff ~~

I feel left out.

WWWAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I'll have to try harder.

Short
Dec 5
Why did you screw Don out of his points for the initial allegations that started this? What have you got against Canadians? -- John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

JohnH
Dec 5
ROTFL!!!!

Points to DW... :>)

Short
Dec 4
I think it is very nice of Don not to mind if we use his toilets, I have never really enjoyed using portapotties. Reginald
Dec 4
I do have some sympathy for land owners who have these kinds of problems. On the other hand, if you purcahse space, I feel the owner has a responsibility to cooperate with those who wish to use large spaces of land in a cooperative arrangement to keep the nonsense to a low level. Short
Dec 4
I get offers from developers all the time and the first question I ask them is how much open space they plan and how do they plan to allow others to use it.

I've never had a satisfactory answer to that - ever - from a developer.

From my perspective, developers need to take into account the users of the land, not just the owners.

Short
Dec 4
Or that.

Britain also has a similar law and it's a good one.

Short
Dec 4
Dammit - beat me to it. :>) Short
Dec 4
They are actually pretty amusing if you look at them from a skewed viewpoint.

Meaning that they are entertainment in and of themselves. :>)

Short
Dec 4
Everybody loves to bash the French, deservedly so in some cases, but I actually enjoy Quebec - not Montreal as much, but the hinterlands offer some of the finest fishing in North America.

Hmmmm - some to think of it, if I did buy Canada, I'd keep Quebec and get rid of the rest of it - well, except for the oil fields. :>)

Short
Dec 4
There is a certain set of people who just can't understand any concept that isn't as you say, right in front of their noses. These people only believe what the RNC tells them to believe. basskisser
Dec 4
Kaui'i got caught in a catch 22 of sorts, when they let Marriott build theire hugh resort there. When they saw the size of the thing, the county (island council) put a kabash on any other operation that there won't be any other new building erected that is taller than a palm tree.

1, that halted a lot of further development because they didn't want the island to turn into another Honolulu.

2. it was good for Marriott, because the island council themselves warded off a lot of other competetion that would want to build there to out do Marriott.

So, I would suppose that the council not only did the island a favor, but also helped Marriott as well.

win-win situation??

Tim
Dec 4
You're starting to sound like one of them 'rich 'mericans'. Go into someone else's country, run ram shod all over them & then tell them what to do with their home, property, possessions state etc. Oh wait a minute... that's your government you're imitating! Don
Dec 4
You'd better bone up on your French first. It's the law in Quebec. Don
Dec 4
Wait, I just misunderstood you, you mean Canadians should have property rights, but those rights should not be extended to non Canadians. That should be a simple solution, just nationalize all property owned by non Canadians. Cuba did the same thing when Castro took over. Reginald
Dec 4
A neighbouring province has restrictions on how much property can be held by non-residents and at one time taxed non-residents property at a higher rate than locals. Don
Dec 4
So is that what you are recommending for Halifax? What if a Canadian owns property on the water, should he be able to restrict the public from using this property anyway they want? If all property on the water was available to all Canadian citizens (we wouldn't want to have any "foreigners" up there) it would save Canadians a ton of money on public parks. I think you have come up with a great idea. I am curious, why didn't the Canadian government buy the land when it was cheap to insure public access for future generations? Sounds to me like you are venting your frustration at the wrong people. Reginald
Dec 4
Venting? Actually, I started off just posting some good news that might be interesting to local and even international cruising boaters. JohnH got very defensive and now you are doing what you do best. Don
Dec 4
I can not help it if you have fried / smoked your brain and can not remember where you said the earth is 6000 years old. Ask your wife to read it to you. Calif
Dec 4
I'm not defensive. You blamed your woes on 'rich Americans' but provided no proof that Americans were involved or that they destroyed the islands. If and when you do so, I'll feel horribly ashamed for those folks.

The bottom line is that *Canadians* sold the property! Cast your aspersions on them first. -- John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

JohnH
Dec 4
I was just highlighting the fallacy of your argument that property owners should not be able to act like a dog with a bone attitude. I would hope you do a very good job of protecting your property, even if you do look like a dog with a bone.

"Not just because they are rich...it's the 'dog with a bone' attitude. Anyone who lives in a popular coastal area would know what I'm talking about. Development has been fairly slow coming to these areas and the locals have had use of the islands for generations. Someone buys up the property, uses it for a few weeks each summer and then guards it like a national treasure the rest of the year. No one allowed on or near the islands. Some even try to evict boaters anchoring in the coves... although they only own property above the high water mark. "

Reginald
Dec 4
Maybe .... but consider: ----

"In terms of official government foreign assistance, “the U.S. gives the most in absolute amounts, more than twice what the second ranked donor, Japan, gives,” said Adelman during a global Internet chat July 27."

"But this number does not include substantial private foreign assistance, such as aid that comes from private donations, charities, religious associations and other nonprofit groups."

“Private international giving by Americans is over three and one-half times that of U.S. government foreign assistance,” Adelman told participants in the Internet chat. “When you take into account this U.S. private giving, our foreign assistance far exceeds other countries by any measure.”

http://usinfo.state.gov/eur/Archive/2005/Jul/27-997226.html

----

Where does Canada rank?

Eisboch

Eisboch
Dec 4
Not if I owned it. :>) Short
Dec 4
Here he goes, as usual. He knows damned well after going back and actually reading each word, that I never said such a thing. Now to cover his tracks, he resorts to lies. Watch, everyone! Bill, what evidence do you have that I've "fried / smoked (my brain)??? Now, please, show everyone here where you got that information, plus where I said that the earth is 6000 years old. I'd really like to see that. basskisser
Dec 4
Do you ever stay out of the cesspool? Calif
Dec 4
Or that. Short
Dec 4
Now we will have to wait and see how Kevin, Harry and crew competes with that. LMAO P
Dec 4
I see that sort of crap all the time with developments I work on. The surrounding neighbors pour into the Planning Commision meetings whining about how they use 'X' piece of land for picnics etc, and how we should not be allowed to develop it. They never want to buy it, even when offered. They just want to continue to leach off of others. Why am I not surprised that donny is of the same ilk? P
Dec 4
About 10 years ago we had a German au-pair.

About 9 years ago we had a Swedish au-pair.

About 8 years ago we had another German au-pair.

More fuel for their ???.

Bert
Dec 4
That has something to do with the sale of your islands? JohnH
Dec 4
He's been asked to show that the rich sons of bitches were, in fact, Americans as he alleged. I haven't seen his response to that yet. JohnH
Dec 4
Hey Don, you alleged earlier that Americans bought and destroyed the islands. Now you're saying 'someone'. Who was it? Where are the scenes of the islands 'stripped of forestry' by Americans? JohnH
Dec 4
The French are into glass. That'd work. JohnH
Dec 4
Come to think of it, I need to get au-pair of new sneakers. Thanks for the reminder.

Eisboch

Eisboch
Dec 4
It's almost always "good" when this sort of development is stopped, no matter how.

I'm still happy over the fact that our county commissioners and the local voters stopped Wal-Mart dead in its tracks with an intention to build some sort of "superstore" down here. The county continues to raise its "impact" fee to discourage tract builders. But we do encourage locally owned small businesses in existing commercial areas. Waterfront development is allowed but the controls are pretty strict. The local battle cry is, "Let's not become another Fairfax County." Fairfax County is a densely populated county in Northern Virginia that used to be a pleasant place to live. Not anymore. It's overdeveloped, with clogged roads, overcrowded schools, declining infrastructure, million dollar houses on an eighth of an acre lots, the whole catastrophe.

Harry
Dec 4
Bill, did you ever find where I said that the earth was only 6000 years old? I'd really like to see that. basskisser
Dec 4
I missed the beginning of this one. Is Bert talking about his fantasy sex life again? Harry
Dec 4
I have no clue what he's talking about. I've stopped following these goofy threads.

Eisboch

Eisboch
Dec 4
The coves are not theirs to protect, so locals have nothing to worry about.

You have a very nice home today, do you allow people to picnic in your backyard, or park their car on your front yard?

Reginald
Dec 4
On a serious note, I have heard the French Canadians are snotty little SOB's. All the French Canadians I have meet were really very nice. My feeling is one on one they are great people, with a little bit of an inferiority complex due to them being a minority in Canada. Reginald
Dec 4
Yeah, imagine why they'd be upset to come back during those few weeks only to find those freeloaders had peed and shit all over the place, lit fires, left trash and generally made a mess of it. Of course, they'd be rightfully rather mad about it and seek ways to keep the rabble out. Bill
Dec 4
It's so bad no one will move here! All those 'bad' things, including our local Wal Mart, are what drove the house prices so far up. Oh, please get me out of this briar patch! JohnH
Dec 4
I love Halifax, I wonder if Don would let me camp out in his backyard? Reginald
Dec 4
JohnH, No it is "Please don't throw me into the briar patch". Please get your stories correct. ;)

http://www.americanfolklore.net/folktales/ga2.html

Reginald
Dec 4
Ah good...you're feeling better this morning! Don
Dec 4
John..now that you're seeing, & hopefully thinking, more clearly...go back to the web site and look around. Don
Dec 4
Ah ha! Thanks Bill...you've probably unwittingly hit the nail on the head. Do you think all those absent owners think of locals as "rabble"? Don
Dec 4
As long as you don't bring any 'rich Americans' with you. Don
Dec 4
Don thanks, we plan on having a family reunion with only about 50 people, and it will be nice to be able to use your backyard for a picnic and gathering. Is it ok if we dump our portapotties in your front yard? Reginald
Dec 4
We do have indoor plumbing. Are your relatives toilet trained? If not we might be able to rent a few 'Johnny on the Spots' for the outhouse set. The more the merrier. We have really hungry red ants back there that haven't had a decent meal in a while. Don
Dec 4
You couldn't find it either, huh? JohnH
Dec 4
Nor does it surprise me that one of your ilk is incapable of understanding anything past the end of your nose. Nova Scotia is not the United States. The Right to Roam is a traditional concept cherished by many Nova Scotians, not just Don.

http://ccns.chebucto.org/Right_to_Roam.pdf

thunder
Dec 4
Don, Great so you don't mind if we tromp through your house also to use the bathrooms? I am planning on setting up a web page with directions to your home and letting everyone know that "Su Casa es Nuestra Casa".

Since you have given everyone ready access to your home and gardens, why don't you just deed your home over the state?

Reginald
Dec 4
Then maybe rich Canadians should buy the islands and donate to a nature conservancy? Calif
Dec 3
I wondered who were the dumb asses that sold the islands to those horrible rich Americans! JohnH
Dec 3
Read closer... regular Canadians, with our govt as partner, are doing just that. Don
Dec 3
Greedy people blinded by that yankee dollah. Don
Dec 3
Greedy, American people? JohnH
Dec 3
Now rich Canadians? Calif
Dec 3
Maybe you should have done it earlier. Calif
Dec 3
How much you want for the whole country? :>) Short
Dec 3
Damn, you just can't understand what you've read, can you? basskisser
Dec 3
Are you gonna buy the French part too? Who will you sell it to? JohnH
Dec 3
France... Short
Dec 3
I don't think France wants them. Bert
Dec 3
Saudi Arabia... Short
Dec 3
About 12 years ago we had a French au-pair. She said that France looked down its collective nose at the "French" in Quebec. Is seems that the only people that give the "French" in Quebec is the rest of Canada.

About three months after our au-pair returned to France she wrote and told us that the French, in France, were a bit on the rude side. Thirteen months in the US with friendly people spoiled her.

Bert
Dec 3
Woulda, coulda, shoulda.... the site explains that... Don
Dec 3
Probably less that you'll spend in Iraq! Don
Dec 3
Colicky Bill must be dippin' into the sauce again. Don
Dec 3
They may be dumb, but they're not *that* dumb. JohnH
Dec 3
Obviously neither you nor the Canadians who sold off the islands value your country very highly. You can't blame 'rich Americans' for your home grown stupidity. JohnH
Dec 3
More than the $75 you offered earlier to someone who did not want it. Calif
Dec 3
And I thought you finally had risen above the cesspool. Wrong again. Calif
Dec 3
I couldn't find the part where Americans raped your islands. Could you point that out? JohnH
Dec 3
Well, maybe not much more than - what - $4/500 including Quebec? Short
Dec 3
That seems to be where a large group of the regulars hang out these days. Nice to see you again. Don
Dec 4
Oh my! I see a disturbing trend here. You seem to get especially obnoxious on the weekends. I have to assume you are off duty from your self appointed sheriff position...but you might consider getting a handle on what your 'limit' is and make sure you stop when you reach it. Don
Dec 4
Don, don't you just hate those rich son of a bitches? Reginald
Dec 3
just nuke the french part. Reginald
Dec 3
Not just because they are rich...it's the 'dog with a bone' attitude. Anyone who lives in a popular coastal area would know what I'm talking about. Development has been fairly slow coming to these areas and the locals have had use of the islands for generations. Someone buys up the property, uses it for a few weeks each summer and then guards it like a national treasure the rest of the year. No one allowed on or near the islands. Some even try to evict boaters anchoring in the coves... although they only own property above the high water mark. Don
Dec 4
   

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