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Ruminations on a GB 42...
How much work is involved in maintaining a wooden GB 42?This boat was gorgeous - I mean drop dead gorgeous. I'm not a surveyor by any stretch, but I couldn't find anything wrong
on viewing the boat. Bilges were exceptionally clean, the engine room
sparkled, the boat itself being wood - well, even up close the paint
was flawless. The teak was bright and looked oiled rather than
varnished. All the window frames were intact and showed no signs of
leaking, I didn't find any dead spots on the deck or bridge -
anywhere. Apparently the current owner is into wood working too as
there were several personal touches that were just incredible. I am in love with this boat. The only problem is I'm not at all sure
I can maintain it at this level. What to do - what to do. |
Short
Dec 15 2006
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| I have stayed away from this discussion because that is my opinion and I
didn't want to burst Tom's bubble, but it looks like everyone else has
already done that. There was an old 42' woodie on my dock, it was called Panache. It was
perfect, absolutely beautiful. I would have loved to own that boat. I
also saw it in dry dock for about 6 weeks every spring with 3 - 4 pros
doing touch up work, replacing boards, etc. The guy paid someone to do
all the work, so all he had to do was write the checks. |
Reginald
Dec 15
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| Reggie, I'm not out to burst Toms bubble. but I was relating my
experiences with my wooden hull. I suppose those hulls arn't for everybody. But then again, I'm not
everybody. |
Tim
Dec 15
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| Something of interest for you: "Through the subscription Web site SoldBoats.com I found 39 Grand Banks
42s reported sold in the last six months in the U.S. alone. Selling
prices ranged from $30,000 for a 1967 model to $585,000 for a 2001
model. On the lower end of the price scale are 1973 and earlier models
of wood construction. These models may offer very attractive savings
but this can be quickly offset by the added cost of maintenance and
upkeep. A good rule of thumb is to anticipate an average "added cost"
of at least $100 per-foot for maintaining an older wooden boat in good
condition." (From the BoatUS website) |
Chuck
Dec 15
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| >Something of interest for you: |
Short
Dec 16
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| It is a '68 and wood. As I posted to Chuck, this is a gorgeous boat and it's been maintained
to a very high standard that I couldn't even hope to keep - the owner
is a retired finish carpenter and custom cabinet/furniture maker. I have some skills as a wood worker, but it's more of the hobbyist
type of skill, not professional skill. I'm afraid it would be too much for me to handle. |
Short
Dec 16
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| Rumination? More like Ruination. Let some other sucker go for this old
babe and spend his money and time maintaining her. If you want a wood
boat, buy one you can mess with in your garage or shop, a nice varnished
rowboat that won't eat up the rest of your life. Young chicks are the way to go...their superstructure ain't sagging,
their frames aren't rotten, they're well-lubed, they move well. |
Harry
Dec 16
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| It was good that you thought about it before picking up this little
"trophy boat", she was doing her best to sink her claws into your wallet. |
Reginald
Dec 16
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| Next suggestion: Now that you've found a style and model that winds your clock, (42 GB),
why not look for one about 5 or so years newer? If you can at least
pick up the FRP hull, then the majority (but not all) of the wood
issues will be cosmetic. Anybody willing to be about half careful and
patient can varnish, heck- even I can varnish. :-) |
Chuck
Dec 16
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| Tom, I really think you made a wise choice passing on the GB. It's one thing to have a users boat and another to have, and another to
have a boat you
re afraid will get a scratch. |
Tim
Dec 16
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| When you're in love there is only one thing to do, and you don't need
to ask us. And what year is the young lady? |
Wayne.B
Dec 15
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| "Apparently the current owner is into wood working......" Are you? The best guy to own a wooden boat is the guy who will enjoy learning or
applying the unique skills required to keep it in shape. Consider, for
example, that you will from time to time be replacing a couple of
planks on that hull. (IIRC, they were sheathed in mahogany when new).
If you can cut, shape, maybe bend, fasten, and caulk your own plank- it
will probably cost you $100 or so for the materials and an enjoyable
day of fiddling around. If you can't do your own plank, it will
probably cost you $200 for a marked up plank and $1000 to have it
installed. If the brightwork is oiled, but not varnished, you will be spending a
bunch of time keeping it up.
Oil is a dirt magnet, and just doesn't endure like varnish. It goes on
faster, but needs to go on a lot more often. A proper prep for an oil
job is as extensive as a proper prep for varnish. So how much work is involved in keeping a 40 year old GB in bristol
condition? Maybe the best answer is that there will be a *lot* of time
involved. If you don't enjoy the time you spend on the upkeep it will
indeed be "work". If you enjoy the time spent on upkeep, then the
answer is that there will be very little work of any kind. Do you have a way to keep the boat under cover, out of the rain, etc? I
wouldn't suggest owning a wooden boat that can't be kept in a boathouse
or at least under a weatherproof canopy. |
Chuck
Dec 15
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| Several years ago, I had a 1964 ChrisCraft Cavalier 27 foot wood hull.
It was a fine looking boat when I got it. I had a slip rented on Carlyle lake where it sat for 9 months, and I'd
take it out about every weekend, or when ever I got the chance. It had
been taken care of I would say, reasonably well, but for the previous
10 years it had been in a large warehouse in storage. It ran great, and
was a lot of fun, but after sitting in the hot sun and letting the rain
get to it, I noticed a lot of spungy wood where the deck met the hull.
Working at trying to preserve it was like playing one of thos gopher
games where they keep popping out of holes, and you try to smack them.
Then by the end of the second year the starboard hull started to
delaminate up in the bow. I really didn't give much for the boat, and
had a lot of fun with it, but after the second year, it really started
decaying fast! it's now sitting behind my dad's barn looking like
something off the beach of Gilligan's Island. Oh, if I was nuts about
having a wood working hobby, I would have kept it up, but having
neither the time, availability of marine wood products, not the main
tools for doing such, I gave up on the project. No, I'm not a wooden hull fan. |
Tim
Dec 15
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| One nice thing about GBs is that they don't change much from year to year.
In fact, the surveyor who did Mrs.E's 36 explained that in those years GB
solicited feedback from owners to determine what changes or improvements, if
any, would be incorporated into the next year's models. IMO, there's plenty of woodwork to tend to on the glass models, decks,
rails, transom, let alone maintaining a watertight hull. Plus, the interior
needs occasional buffing. That's a lot of maintenance, unless you intend to
hire someone to do it. If it were me .... which it's not ... I'd shop around for a glass version.
Pangea was fortunately well maintained, but we still had all the exterior
work done the first year. It wasn't cheap. There are a couple of GB owner forums, one of which is dedicated to wood
boats, where you can get a lot of good information and help. I am heading
out the door, but I'll find them later and pass them on. Hey ... did it
have the original GB folding table? Those things are worth quite a bit if
in good, original condition. Eisboch |
Eisboch
Dec 15
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| Do you want to go boating or do you want to go maintaining? |
Bert
Dec 15
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