What did your boat dock..................
..cost you this year? How big is your dock and what amenities
does your marina offer?For us, $1,525. Drive up dock, 25 foot floater with water, electric
and dock box. The marina has 250 slips total, a pool, clubhouse and
top notch mechanics. The owners (3rd generation) live on site. http://www.romps.com/ We moved to this marina because of our bad experiences with the dufus
*OMC Certified* mechanics at the marina we were at last year. So how about you? |
JimH
Jan 7
2006
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| Harry, your ego wouldn't allow you to killfile *anyone* who might mention
what a neat guy you are! Jimmy (if you're reading responses to Harry) I strongly believe that,
unlike you and Don (and any other Harry puppy dogs), Reggie can think for
himself! |
JohnH
Jan 9
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| If you noticed, that's exactly what your master has done. That's why he's
the all time leader by a huge margin! |
JohnH
Jan 9
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| Dan, he's got me killfiled. |
JohnH
Jan 9
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| When I went to OCS at Ft. Belvoir, we did a night crossing of Pohick Bay.
One young man fell off his rubber raft and was immediately taken to the
hospital for a Tetanus shot. The Potomac was a filthy mess. |
JohnH
Jan 9
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| I hear tell of people having to use acid to hold pH. Here in GA, my
water is just the opposite, you need to raise pH. Instead of using pH
Up, use 20 mule team borax, right out of the grocery store for about
10% of the price!. Raise alkalinity with baking soda, the same exact
thing the pool store sells you for three times as much. I use plain old
bleach to both keep my chlorine level up to the range specified by the
amount of stabilizer, and to shock. Here is a website that has that
information, you'll like it, this guy is a pool brain! http://www.poolsolutions.com and here is a forum of people who use his methods:
http://www.poolforum.com If you go in the forums, someone has even written a small program
called bleach calc, you just plug in the capacity of your pool in
gallons, if you are using 5% or 6% (ultra) bleach, and it will tell you
the amount of bleach to add to get to x ppm. It also has calcs for
adjusting pH, Alk, and stabilizer. I only use pucks if I go on vacation
or something, so I have to add stabilizer once in awhile.
This guy also debunks a lot of pool store myths. I laugh at the
beginning of the season when I go to the pool store to watch those guys
load everybody up with a couple hundred bucks worth of pretty much
worthless crap, and I get to smallest package of pucks I can get!
Anyway, check these guys out! |
basskisser
Jan 9
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| John... your behavior here is odd for someone who talks about 'improving the
newsgroup'.
A casual reader might assume that you're just as bad as the rest of us.
As Dr. Phil might say..."it's time for a hero to step up".
Looks like the current crop of law enforcers are either unwilling or unable
to be that 'hero'.
Carry on! |
Don
Jan 9
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| Herring is an a**hole. There's not much more to add to that. It's why he
lives in my bozo bin. |
Harry
Jan 9
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| Very few of the livestock owners I'm familiar with have their own treatment
plants. |
JohnH
Jan 8
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| On many lakes and coves, it is fairly common for geese and other
wildlife to cause extremely high bacteria count that result in beaches
being closed for extended periods. The truth of the matter, lakes,
oceans, bays and pools can all have problems with fecal matter. It is
fairly easy to correct a pool problem by shocking the pool with
chlorine. It is not quiet as easy in a open water. |
Reginald
Jan 8
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| It is, and it isn't. If shocking isn't done correctly, and shock levels
kept at the correct levels for the correct amount of time, then it
doesn't do much good. Also, you don't shock a pool to get rid of fecal
matter, urine and such, the level of constant chlorine sanitation
should do that. Shocking is used to get rid of the chloramines, which
are a biproduct of the chlorine doing it's job. Also, the level at
which to get the pool chlorine up to to shock is not a constant, and
even most pool people don't know this. Most people think that they need
to maintain X amount of chlorine regardless. BUT, the parts per million
of constant chlorine as well as the shock levels are dependent on the
amount of stabilizer in the form of cyanuric acid available. Take for
instance if your stabilizer is 10 to 20 parts per million, you need a
constant chlorine level of 2 to 5 ppm, and 5 to 12 ppm to shock. If
your stabilizer is at 60 to 90 ppm, then you need 5 to 10 ppm chlorine
and 20 or more to shock. Now here is the clincher. People who use
chlorine pucks are putting more and more CYA into the pool, thereby
needing more and more chlorine that they don't know about. That's why I
use plain bleach, as instructed by a person that knows more about pool
chemistry than anybody I've ever seen. |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| I am sure the pool at the marina is properly maintained. As I said
originally my wife and daughter will probably use when while I putz
around the boat when we cannot go out because of the Lake condition. |
JimH
Jan 8
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| Just keep Reggie out of the pool. |
Harry
Jan 8
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| Warnings are often put out locally for bathers to stay out of the Potomac
because of high fecal matter content. |
JohnH
Jan 8
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| Harry, are you trying to make me jealous? |
JohnH
Jan 8
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| LOL! He had actually started to behave and get along with people till
John stepped onto the scene and told him to stop it. |
JimH
Jan 8
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| Are you talking about Reggie posting as Reggie, or Reggie posting as one
of his 50 other identities here? I killfile 'em fast as I can. |
Harry
Jan 8
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| If someone here is going to keep posting total number of posts as proof of
disruptive behavior, I may take Smithers lead and create a few alais also. |
Don
Jan 8
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| Try "Duke Nukem". |
JimH
Jan 8
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| That's Duke Nukem Actual. |
Duke
Jan 8
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| He's already in my bozo bin. He's one of Reggie's altered egos? |
Harry
Jan 8
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| Just like the person who posted them, Fritz, animal, animal05, etc. |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| Nope, that's Tom. |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| Or 'Junior Badass'..... that has a certain ring to it! |
Don
Jan 9
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| Why do you incite people, John?
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Dan
Jan 8
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| And you have more than just a Parker?
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Dan
Jan 8
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| http://www.reefrelief.org/reefreliefnews/Beach2005.pdf |
gfretwell
Jan 8
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| 10-4 on that Bass. Keep it simple and don't buy everything the kid at
the pool store sells.
I use enough tri-chlor to maintain a reasonable stabylizer level (that
10-20 you spealk of) and bleach to maintain the chlorine level. I end
up with a shot of acid now and then to hold the pH. That keeps my pool
sparkling. |
gfretwell
Jan 8
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| >Warnings are often put out locally for bathers to stay out of the Potomac
>because of high fecal matter content.
>--
I am old enough to remember when touching the water in the Potomac was
considered nearly fatal.
Thank Lady Bird Johnson for starting the cleanup that eventually made
people think getting in the water was usually safe. |
gfretwell
Jan 8
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| Ah! I see I remain the topic of John's posts, this time being made fun
of because I posted a boating question in a boating NG. Imaging that. And I see that Reggie joined in with his attempt to hijack the thread
with a silly side topic. I guess this thread shows the real purpose of our non boat owners here.
And to think they their stated goal was to better the tone of the NG. My, my, my. |
JimH
Jan 8
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| Herring and Reggie only come here to be the a**holes their wives won't
let them be at home. Remember: neither of them have a boat. Herring gave
his away, and Reggie never had one. |
Harry
Jan 8
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| Cheaper marina of the three is $2700.60/yr. minimum extending to
$4200.00/yr minimum at the ritzier place... not including utilities. I started trailering again when the cost passed $195.00/mo. |
gene.boating
Jan 8
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| I find it amazing that people won't get into their local waters, but
need a pool. |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| Moved from open moorage (about $5k per year in a "public" marina) to
covered moorage at over $6k. My covered moorage is something of a
"deal", as the owner plans to leave the cover on and pass along the
cost of meeting the new fire codes. Will probably be $7k - $8k per year
at that point. It's possible to pay the same per month for open moorage
in this area if you don't shop carefully- and the moorage market
hereabouts is always a sellers market. Fixed or diminishing supply,
increasing demand. A few years ago, our local marina owners' association hired an advisor
to speak at one of their meetings. His message: "Raise your moorage
rates constantly. Do not try to keep your rates down to where your
slips are always filled. Shoot for about a 20% vacancy rate.
When you are 20% vacant because of higher rates, your overall revenue
will be more than it was with all of the slips filled at a lower rate
and your expenses will be less because you are providing services to
fewer boats." Truth is, they can raise the cost of moorage as much as they want to-
and for folks who want to own and enjoy a boat too large to haul out
onto a trailer and park in the driveway (consequently pizzing off the
neighbors) there are few alternatives. |
Chuck
Jan 8
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| Harry, even when you make absolute bullshit statements, I'm proud to be
mentioned. You are such a neat guy! I'm sure Jimmy H is very proud of being your good friend! |
JohnH
Jan 8
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| It sounds like a deal, considering a 12 month moorage, the size of the
slip (based on what I know about your boat) and the fact that it is
covered. Our contract is only from April 1 to November1. Regarding Bassies comment about the pool......I agree to a point. When
boating conditions are right and the Lake temp is warm enough we prefer
to swim off the boat at our local swimming spots. However, there are
many times when bad seas keep us off the Lake. In those instances,
having a pool at the marina is a plus. |
JimH
Jan 8
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| That's a guy who never saw a Chesapeake Bay sea nettle. |
gfretwell
Jan 8
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| >slips are always filled. Shoot for about a 20% vacancy rate. |
gfretwell
Jan 8
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| Precisely. I don't have a problem with it on an intellectual basis, but
emotionally I hate to see the toll it takes on the folks who can
barely afford to be in boating to begin with. Aside from the "nothing
down and $15 a day" hype at the boat shows- the truth is that there are
a number of expensive hobbies out there, and boating can be one of
them. Bring big bucks, or choose a minimalist experience. I doubt that we'll ever see 20% vacancies, in real life, in the Pacific
NW. What we will see is the folks of modest means being under
increasing financial pressure. But as a landlord I absolutely have to
understand. I don't set rents based on what I paid for a house back in
the 70's, they're set at what the market will bear. Can't expect the
marina owner to do any differently. |
Chuck
Jan 8
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| Isn't that the truth! I saw a 5 or 6 year old jump from his dad's boat into the bay last summer
at a little boater's beach we frequent. He had his life vest on, and jumped
right into a few nettles. They got pushed up under the jacket and began
stinging the kid. The poor kid was screaming his head off until someone had
the sense to take his life jacket off. By then the kid was petrified of the
water and the vest. It was a damn shame. Hope he got over it. |
JohnH
Jan 8
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| If the weather is crappy enough to keep you off of the lake, then isn't
it usually crappy enough to keep you out of the pool?? |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| No, but I've seen many, many sea nettles. Also, owning a home pool,
I've read a lot about commercial pool water quality. At least the urine
and feces that makes it's way to a lot of waterways is treated first! |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| I was not talking about the weather. I was talking about the
conditions on the Lake. There are many times where where the weather
but we see small craft warnings are in effect. |
JimH
Jan 8
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| Huh? |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| As far as the urine and feces that making it's way to the waterways
being treated, you are incorrect. Many cities, including Atlanta, have
problems with untreated waste making it way into the waterway,
especially when the system is overloaded by heavy rains. |
Reginald
Jan 8
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| Edit......damn pain medicine. |
JimH
Jan 8
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| Read my edit. |
JimH
Jan 8
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| I think we have 2-3% vacant slots. Would be nice to have all slots full
- that way the club could have more money wise and we wouldn't need to
pay up for the non-existent/non-boat-owning members either. Risto |
Varis
Jan 8
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| 10-4! |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| Oh, for God's sake. Did I say ANYWHERE that every ounce of sewage that
has ever made it's way into any waterway was treated??? But, I've read
the articles that show waterborne fecal matter and urine in commercial
pools. You'd have to discharge daily and constantly into a large
waterway to reproduce those numbers. |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| As usual!! |
basskisser
Jan 8
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| That's about the price, give or take, for a similar sized slip at the
local fisherman's marina. No pool or clubhouse, but a nice, smelly fish
cleaning station, general store, clean bathrooms, running water and
electric. You cannot imagine what the fish cleaning station smells like in July
and August. Well, maybe you can! :) |
Harry
Jan 7
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| Is Jimmy asking his silly questions again? What won't that boy do for
recognition and self esteem? |
JohnH
Jan 7
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| Free. I brought in the boat so late in the season they didn't have the
heart to charge... In principle a 2.5m wide marina slip is 170
eurobucks per season. (No that's not the same as boat dollars! ;) Includes water and electricity. What's a drive up dock and a dock box? No mechanics or pools of any kind but there is a clubhouse, it's not
fancy. This part of the marina is run by a volunteer organization - it
costs 35 bucks per year to be a member. The storage locker costs a bit
extra. Our part must be over 200 slips in the marina. Risto |
Varis
Jan 7
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| What a deal you have. To answer your questions: A drive up dock is one that you can park your car directly in front of. A dock box is a box at the dock to store stuff you don't want to carry
aboard during the season, such as water toys. There is nothing fancy about our marina either. It is just a nice
place with a solid reputation, including their mechanics staff. Our
good friends are also docking there within walking distance. I will not be using the pool but my wife will during those times when
the Lake is stirred up and I decide to tinker with the boat. It is that time of year for us up north to start to think about warm
weather and boating. ;-) |
JimH
Jan 7
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| I'm not really sure what West Access Marina charges anymore, but back
in the mid 80's it was high. at leas, I thought it was high. For my
old ChrisCraft '27 ft. Cavalier, the cost was about a hundred per month
on a 9 month lease. may seem like a bargian today, but int he mid 80's
it wasnt' the greatest, especially for what one got. no shore power,
no water , nust a floating dock to tie up to. Security wasn't the
finest either. It's changed a lot over the years though, with new
owners and re-doing a lot of stuff. There's no pool, because the park
has a public swim beach right next to the marina. Seeing I don't have
any big barges, I'll trailer mine to the lake, and pay the $3.00 (or
$30.00 unlimited for the yr.) launch fee at the ramp, which is insisted
by the Army Corps of Engineers. I may pay for membership in the Marina
boat club, though. I'll just see what they ahve to offer this year.
JimH wrote: |
Tim
Jan 7
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| $100 in 1985 is $178 in 2005 dollars. In those terms that dock would
cost over $1,600 today. |
JimH
Jan 7
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| Yes, if not more. Here's their website. it's sort of vague, but tells you a little bit
about the place. http://www.westaccess.com/ |
Tim
Jan 7
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| Comparison to owner dock.
I paid $72.5k in 1984 for a house with a dock. I have spent about
$4000-$5000 since then on dock improvements and maintenance, (lift and
new pier added, all my labor). The extra taxes probably go about $300
a year this year over a similar house across the street without a
dock.
Granted that is probably $400-500k now, even in this market but I am
not selling
Considering they are selling "Dockaminiums" here for $300k plus a
hefty mounthly fee, buying a house with a diock is not out of line. |
gfretwell
Jan 7
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| Some people over at Olney IL had a cottage on less than a half acre lot
for about 20 yrs. He and his wife sold the lot, got rid of his pontoon
boat and runabout, and moved into town. the main reason he told me was
because he got tired of paying about $400 per month in reality tax. to
them it sure took the fun and joy outof having lake property. PLUS!
he was sick of running the fisheren off his dock and fishing around his
boat. he showed me gouges where people would cast a line and snag his
interiour, then cut the line and leave the hook . They ahd a 16th
birthday party for his daughter on his nice dock, and people were boat
fishing were coming up to the dock and asking if they could use the can
in the house etc. |
Tim
Jan 7
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