Gasoline prices..............
going down. Under $2/gallon on the street at some places here.Election time must be coming up....oops...that happened last
November. ;-) For Chuck:......gasoline - boats..gasoline - tow vehicles. Just a
preemptive strike to keep the head sheriff from interrogating me. ;-) |
JimH
Jan 11
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| And the WPPS bond holders were screwed by the courts and states. Being one
of the class. A set of states enters into the bond agreement and then
decide that was not legal? BS, they have lots of attorneys on staff to
review it. The Russian meltdown was a crappy design and 3 mile island
leaked nada. The containment vessel did it's job. Hanford and we have
friends who are engineers there was a bad design in a bad location for
military waste. Move it to desert land and the waste we are talking about
is not copius quantities. Coal mining and coal fired plants release about
17 tons of Uranium into the atmosophere every year, plus all the mercury and
other heavy metals and causing acid rain. Plus how many deaths a year from
coal mining and oil drilling (exclude war)? Nuclear is the only thing we
have going for us to reduce oil usage and supply us with clean energy. How
much oil is in that boat that runs on wind power? Lots! sails, resin, etc.
And most are not complaining about just oil wasting on recreation. Most
burn very little oil for boating compared to the rest of their lifestyle.
Commuting to work, heating, cookiing and the supply of food to cook takes
lots of oil. Supply that energy to heat and cook via electric from nuclear
plants or wind power or water power and there will be a huge reduction of
oil usage! YOu could even supply most of the commuting power via small 80
mile range pure electric vehicles. Pure electrics now use more energy than
hybrids. Line loss and charging losses add up to big numbers. Nuclear,
which we have about a 300 million year supply of fuel for, would allow us
those inefficiencies and still be a viable source of energy and
transportation. |
Calif
Jan 13
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| Lots of those folks don't want to hear about coal waste. I wonder why the
waste doesn't seem to overwhelm the French? |
JohnH
Jan 13
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| They just pour a sauce over it and eat it? |
RG
Jan 13
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| Chuckle.. |
JohnH
Jan 13
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| And I'm fortunate to have a good one!
|
Dan
Jan 13
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| True, but then I would have to live on under $95K throughout the year
and take he rest as income in a lump sum.
|
Dan
Jan 13
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| Could do like the religious snake oil salesman, "reverend Ike" did back
in the late 70's. he had a $30,000 a year salary and an unlimited expense acct. |
Tim
Jan 13
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| $2.899 this morning. (blue state) |
-rick-
Jan 13
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| I forgot to mention it was premium. |
-rick-
Jan 13
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| quarterly dividends. |
Calif
Jan 14
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| $2.59 at Safeway - $0,06 for club card holders. Dublin, CA yesterday. |
Calif
Jan 14
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| $2.79 here, it's a bargain though, just wait a decade or two. Lowering the price is easy, just use less of it, nobody is forcing
anyone to buy gas. |
James
Jan 12
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|
Friends of mine own a machine shop and it's the same way. They've got
some real talent there, it's the sort of thing I enjoy doing, but
there's no way they can afford to pay me what I can make elsewhere. Too
bad really, we're all competing with people overseas whos cost of living
is a fraction of ours. |
James
Jan 12
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| Check the outsourcing post 'over there' and you'll see why it's so cheap to
do so.
-- ***** Have a super day! ***** John H |
JohnH
Jan 12
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| Work and life forces people to buy gas. If we had built lots of nuclear
plants over the last 20 years, our demand on foreign oil would be almost
zero. Thank a lot of the enviros for the oil problems. |
Calif
Jan 12
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| And don't forget to thank Three Mile *ISLAND* (boating tie-in for
JimH) and that catastrophic meltdown in Russia for demonstrating that
nuclear power has some very scary aspects attached. Can you name even
one state that is willing to accept the nuclear waste
generated anywhere else? Does it make sense to manufacture something
that will be immensely deadly for tens of thousands of years after its
brief initial productive use? We've got a case of creeping death over
in Eastern Wa right this very minute. Failing containment tanks on the
Hanford Nuclear Reservation are allowing radioactive waste to migrate
toward a nearby watershed and could potentially render much of the
North Pacific unusable as a source or food for human beings. Send a few
hundred tankers up from California if you think nuclear waste is no big
deal. We'll fill em up for you, free of charge. :-) At one time, we almost had a series of nuclear plants built here in
Washington State. Known as the WPPS (or "woops" project). The project
went into default, and cost a lot of bondholders a bunch of dough. The
facts are the the project didn't fail due to "enviro" opposition, but
rather because it became apparent that when the projects were completed
they would not be able to produce electricity at a competitive price. I'm pretty "green", without being ridiculous about it. I think we need
to make prudent use of our natural resources, including oil. We own a
hybrid car and one 4-cylinder conventional.
We endeavor to not use energy foolishly, and will turn the heat and
lights off when we leave the house for even a few hours. However, we do
own a boat and nobody who owns a boat that doesn't rely strictly
upon sails or oars can get too far up on a high horse regarding the
careful use of fossil fuel. |
Chuck
Jan 12
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| Hey Chuck, your three mile island and chernobyl comparisons are crap. Just
ask the French, who somehow manage to get about 80% of their energy from
nuke power.
-- ***** Have a super day! ***** John H |
JohnH
Jan 12
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| Jersey? |
Tim
Jan 12
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| The problem is that he is the business owner. I could pay myself $8.00
and hour but, at the end of the year, my personal income tax bill would
be well over $100K if I took my profit as retained earnings. He's
probably an S-corp, too so if he's profitable, the money has to go
somewhere.
|
Dan
Jan 12
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| What's this? Are the French suddenly back on the good guy side of the
ledger? :-) Two comments: 1. What do the do with the waste? Is it really all that safe, or have
they luckily so far avoided paying the piper? 2. Until we invent cars, trucks, trains, and BOATS that run efficiently
on electricity and storage batteries we will still need to import most
of our energy for transportation needs. I don't think we burn that muh
crude oil to generate electricity as it is. |
Chuck
Jan 12
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| The money probably goes back into the business. Good CNC machines can
get extremely expensive very quickly and shops need to keep adding more
machines as they grow and upgrading older machines to compete with
everyone else. |
James
Jan 13
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| Sell it to Iran or N. Korea? |
Tim
Jan 12
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| >on electricity and storage batteries we will still need to import most
>of our energy for transportation needs. I don't think we burn that muh
>crude oil to generate electricity as it is. Actually with a big nuclear componant, hydrogen might start making
sense. It takes a lot of energy to separate hydrogen but a nuke has a
lot of energy. You are right, what to do with the waste is a problem. |
gfretwell
Jan 12
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| That's why God invented accountants. |
Short
Jan 13
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| There is a simple reason for this. Wages are subject to FICA taxes up to around 95k a year, and there is no
limit to the Medicare Tax. By taking a reasonable wage, and then taking the rest of business
profits as dividends, you legally avoid paying the addiontal taxes. |
Animal05
Jan 13
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| $1.88 this morning :-) |
Animal05
Jan 13
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|
Worth reading: http://russp.org/nucfacts.html
-- ***** Have a super day! ***** John H |
JohnH
Jan 13
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| But we do burn a lot of natural gas, which is home grown, and could be used
to power many of the vehicles you mention. As to waste, go read this: http://russp.org/nucfacts.html It's not overly long.
-- ***** Have a super day! ***** John H |
JohnH
Jan 13
|
| You obviously don't live in Connecticut. $2.49 and they act like they are doing us a favor. You see, here in the Nutcase....er, Nutmeg State, the Democrats who
control the Legislature came up with this brilliant program - it's
called Zone Pricing Policy. It was intended to level out the price of
gasoline across the state so that the areas with higher income levels
paid more than those with lower income levels. Of course what happened was exactly the opposite. Zone Pricing means
that they can sock it to the rural parts of the state and keep the gas
prices in the cities cheap. Hartford gas is about .11/15¢ cheaper for
example and it's pretty much the same in other cities in the state.
Move out of the city, bend over. And now that it's entrenched, it can't be changed because it's a money
maker - um, I'm sorry - REVENUE ENHANCER which brings in tons of taxes
for the treasury. And it makes money for the companies who retail the
gas along with the distributors. So it can't be changed. This is the same bunch of bozos who figured that electricity would be
cheaper if the Utility companies divested their power generating
plants and purchased their energy on the open market passing the
savings along to the customer. This brilliant stroke of genius caused
a 50/75% increase in electricity rates in the past two years because
they never figured that the generators of power would have to make
money also. California did it and got screwed? Oh, well we're smarter than that -
won't happen here. Dumbasses. Oh and get this. The latest is that the Legislature, 98%
Democrats, is now working towards allowing the Utility companies to
purchase back the generation plants they just sold - at a premium of
course financed by.... Wait for it... Wait for it.... Tax subsidies to the Utility companies!!! Including state bonding to
improve the plants!!! Brilliant!!! Unfortunately, it won't make the rates go down because...um...well...
er...becasue. BUT, they won't go up in the future. We think. Maybe. Like hell they won't. |
Short
Jan 12
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| And to think Ohio was once owned by Connecticut and called New Connecticut.
Thank goodness you sold the land to folks who have reason and sponsor a
great college football team. Teeheenyuknyuknyuk! |
JimH
Jan 11
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| No change in Seattle. |
JR
Jan 11
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| I just paid 2.69... we're always screwed in CA with the supposed "special
formulation" only required here. Oh yeah, my last utility bill... $455. Yup, de-regulation has worked wonders
here. --Mike |
Mike
Jan 12
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| My heating gas bill for this past month was $388.00 and it's been a
mild winter!
Oh yeah, our electricity supplier,Ameren/CIPS has decided they need to
raise electric rates by up to...55% They say they arn't making any money, but the CEO gets almost $24 mil.
a year plus stock options, and various other perks.... |
Tim
Jan 11
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| Funny how big business works. In my small business, I'm the LAST one to get
paid. --Mike "Tim" <tschnautz@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168573491.693962.36360@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
My heating gas bill for this past month was $388.00 and it's been a
mild winter!
Oh yeah, our electricity supplier,Ameren/CIPS has decided they need to
raise electric rates by up to...55% They say they arn't making any money, but the CEO gets almost $24 mil.
a year plus stock options, and various other perks.... |
Mike
Jan 12
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| Me too, Mike. me too.... |
Tim
Jan 11
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| $1.95 at my corner station |
Animal05
Jan 12
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| Yeah, rub it in why dontchya! --Mike |
Mike
Jan 12
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| I've been working with a guy I've known for years - he started up a
mechanical engineering/machine shop that does custom fittings and
highly specialized machined parts for all kinds of industries. He has
some metallurgical expertise that's hard to find and some machinists
who are absolute geniuses with a CNC machine. He pays himself $1 more than the highest paid employee he has. |
Short
Jan 12
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|
But that's not the modern American way. The CEO is supposed to earn
5,327 times what the production workers earn, and the production workers
are supposed to be marginalized and then laid off so production can be
moved to China, where labor costs 20 cents an hour and more money can go
to the bigwigs back here and the overseers who run the Chinese sweatshops. *That's* the American way. And that's why we're fighting in Iraq: to
protect the American way. :>} |
Harry
Jan 12
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| Gas isn't under $2.00 here yet, but close. I heard some world economy
guru saying that he thinks it'll get down below $1.50. His reasoning is
that the Arabs are getting pissed at the Iranians and are leveraging
them by lowering oil prices. Iran needs the high prices because they
are in economic dire straits. |
basskisser
Jan 12
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| Do you think the union pension plans have their members money sitting in |
Bert
Jan 12
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| I paid 2.42 the other day on the road, it is 3.09 on the water. You
can shop around and do a little better and you can certainly spend
more if you don't. (Lee County Fl.) |
gfretwell
Jan 12
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| Seeing that I trailer my boat[s] to the lake, I usually fill before
before getting to the lake. in the small boat, I will only use 7-10
gal. for a day. When I was taking my old 27' Chris Craft up and down the ohio, I
carried about 5 steel "jerry cans" on board so I wouldn't have to fill
at a dock. I've never filled at a dock, and really don't plan on it. |
Tim
Jan 12
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| $2.29 here. No change. And to please our VP of Shameless Commerce, you
need to work in the brand name of that cheap gas at least three times. |
Harry
Jan 11
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| You two are such neat guys! I'm sure you're quite proud of yourselves!
-- ***** Have a super day! ***** John H |
JohnH
Jan 11
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| $2.09.9 here, it's dropped back from $2.28.9 a month ago. JimH wrote: |
Tim
Jan 11
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