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Access to the water will be increasingly challenging
An item from the press release folder illustrates a problem that will
erode opportunities for boating in most communities unless it is
addressed.I drive nearly every day past a good example of this phenomenon. An
area once occupied by the physically largest recreationally oriented
boatyard on Seattle's Lake Union is being developed for condominiums.
To skirt City of Seattle requirements that any waterfront developments
must be related to water-oriented activities, a very small dock has
been built as part of the project. It would seem unlikely that there
will be any public access to this dock, as none of the new owners of
the $half million and up, up, up waterfront condominiums will want
strangers coming ashore in their front yard. Most likely the moorage
will be sold to the condo residents. Anyway, press release follows: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Press Contact: Scott Croft, 703-461-2864, SCroft@BoatUS.com
Date: January 15, 2007 TIME RUNNING OUT TO ENTER
BOATU.S. RECREATIONAL BOATING ACCESS AWARD Declining Water Access Threatens Boating As waterfront land values skyrocket and condominiums sprout on nearly
every acre of waterfront property, recreational boaters are losing more
and more access to the water with every passing day. To spotlight the
problem and to recognize those who are helping turn the tide, BoatU.S.
has launched a national Recreational Boating Access Award. But time is
running out - the deadline to enter is February 1, 2007. The BoatU.S. Recreational Boating Access Award will honor an
individual, group, government body, business or non-profit organization
that has succeeded in preserving or improving public waterway access.
Judges will look at four criteria: 1.) the challenges faced in
retaining or increasing access in an area; 2.) the direct impact or
measurable results of the solution; 3.) the level of success in
increasing awareness of the issue in a community; 4.) and
"repeatability," the ability to take the successful approach and adopt
it in other areas. Examples of solutions could include creative public/private
partnerships, changes in land use planning or permitting processes, tax
incentives, legislation or public ballots, publicity or public
education. Eligible activities include those undertaken in the last
three years. Winners will be announced at the Working Waterways and Waterfronts - A
National Symposium on Water Access to be held in Norfolk, VA May 9-11,
2007. For more information, go to http://www.BoatUS.com/gov/AccessAward |
Chuck
Jan 16
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| I had heard about this a couple of weeks ago on the radio. At least here
they are not using the goverment to steal the land. But I have to agree that it's getting harder for anyone but the well
healed to get to places like this. Capt Jack R.. |
Jack
Jan 17
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| Jack, you have your ear plugs in??? http://www.mcall.com/business/realestate/all-brineybreezesjan14,0,7517634.story?coll=all-businessrealestate-hed |
Tim
Jan 16
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| Everyone in your community who votes for the winner of the council seats
is authorizing the practice. |
Bert
Jan 16
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| The problem is that no matter who we vote for, we seem to get the same
results. There's also a plan afoot to revitalize downtown by improving the
bus station. The trouble is, nobody can prove that night life is lacking
because of the bus station, and nobody seems to care. The real reasons are
obvious, but not often discussed because to acknowledge them would mean
politicians would have to stop using "improve downtown" as part of their
campaign advertising. Another example: Our previous town supervisor was making noise about
building a 200 slip marina on Irondequoit Bay to serve what he called
"transients from Canada". The newly elected supervisor has continued to
support the idea. This sounded like the now-defunct fast ferry, which the
city of Rochester lost millions on. It was supposed to transport millions of
Canadians who were dying to eat at our world class restaurants - both of
them. It failed in a year. Anyway, I stopped at the town hall to ask about
the business plan for this marina. A public works robot told me the Army
Corps of Engineers was handling that aspect. I said "No..I mean the business
plan. Where are the numbers indicating that there are so many boaters
looking for a marina at this location?" The guy gave me a blank look and
repeated his comment about the ACOE. So, I went home and called their
Buffalo office. The woman I spoke with said "We may look at traffic levels
to determine if the engineering is done right, but we don't get involved
with the actual business model". OK. I'll be meeting with the supervisor in
two weeks. This should be interesting. I really need to know how they cook
up these ideas. |
JoeSpareBedroom
Jan 17
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| Well, its going to take a little more than lip service to solve this
problem.
Seems like your local government needs to be proactive and buy up some of
that land for public use. You're willing to ante up a lfew pesos to support
that effort, aren't you? |
Jim
Jan 16
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| It's not just boat access that suffers. It's access for pedestrians who
simply want to walk along a waterfront with an ice cream cone and enjoy the
view. We're facing these issues here (Rochester), and it's not easy to deal
with. Occasionally, a politician will acknowledge that so-called "city
planning" is driven by contractors, but having an honest discussion at
public comment meetings is next to impossible. These projects are jammed
down the public's throat because city officials are connected in some way
with the financial success of the projects. At one of these meetings, I
listened as a resident asked two city council members if they'd be OK with
having all their investments made public, so we could be sure they weren't
involved in anything like limited partnerships connected with the plans
being discussed. Naturally, this did not go over well, which isn't
surprising. 15 years ago, the supervisor of the town where I now live was on
a big campaign to have an unneeded mall built. He said it would be a great
benefit to the community. It was, at least to a miniscule portion of "the
community": His brother, who owned the land which was sold to the developer.
The mall is now 85% vacant. |
JoeSpareBedroom
Jan 16
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| I pity for y'all, but living here in the middle fo BF Illinois, I don't
think we're going to have much of that problem. |
Tim
Jan 16
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| No lakes out your way? If there are, developers will find them. Just wait. |
JoeSpareBedroom
Jan 16
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| Funny that you would bring that up. Here in the Soviet of Washington, The People already own most of the
land beyond the high tide or high water line. The property is
administered by the Department of Natural Resources, or DNR. A lot of
good it does us to "own" this, however. Ownership doesn't equate to
access. Because The People of the State of Washington own the land,
owners of adjacent properties- (marinas, fuel docks, boat yards,
private residents, yacht clubs, restaurants, etc) get to "lease" the
ground under the water from the DNR. Obviously there are no competitors
in the game of leasing out the ground into which your pilings have been
driven, so the rates are whatever the state thinks traffic will bear.
And the state thinks the traffic will bear a lot! These perpetually
increasing costs for DNR "leases" make property taxes look like a
bargain, and the costs are passed along to the boating public or
absorbed by the business owner until they are driven under by the
expense. Land use policy makers would do well to recognize the significant
contribution to local economies provided by recreational boaters. What
other group spends so much, while expecting so little in return? :-) Public ownership is nice, but all the parks, easements, and so forth
aren't of much value to boaters unless boating is included in the
activities envisioned on the public properties and reasonable access is
assured. |
Chuck
Jan 16
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| Doug, the bigger lakes are controlled by the army Corps pf Engineers,
and the smaller lakes are in the State parks. Then the rivers are,
well... rivers. So If there's going to be any developing, I think it
will be very controlled. But then again..... |
Tim
Jan 16
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| The Sopranos are everywhere and they eventually get to anyone they want. |
JoeSpareBedroom
Jan 16
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| What will you do to help remedy the problem? |
Jim
Jan 16
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| So do something about it locally, not just whinge in a newsgroup. Vote
people in that will pay better attention to what you're after. |
Bill
Jan 16
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| Bill, I wouldn't necessarily call it whing. I think Chucks post wasn't
totally about the NW in his area but all around the nation. Condo's are
replacing marina's in FLA. at an accellerated pace. and looks as long
as they'll sell out to developers, the boating access will be
declining. I realize that money talks. and BIG money screams. Just on the news last week, a really nice coast line trailer park (and
I do mean NICE) In FLA. was offered HUGE money to sell to developers.
They voted to do so, where each household was going to walk away with
about a million USD each. Kind of hard to pass up, but in the long run, it seems like the tax
base will rise, and the shorline beauty and accessability will erode. just an opinion.
Bill Kearney wrote: |
Tim
Jan 16
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| >partnerships, changes in land use planning or permitting processes, tax
>incentives, legislation or public ballots, publicity or public
>education. Eligible activities include those undertaken in the last
>three years. You mean like they did in New London where they took an entire
neighborhood by Eminent Domain to sell to a private developer? Or like what's happening in New York City where they are attempting to
take an entire city block worth billions by Eminent Domain? Yep - that's the way to go. |
Short
Jan 16
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| It wasn't intended as a whine. The fact that an organization generally
friendly to boating (BOAT/US) is addressing this as a national issue
suggested that it might serve to stimulate discussion of boating
related topic in the NG. One challenge that all boaters face when it comes to political
candidates is that there aren't enough of us anywhere to carry much
local clout. When it comes to the sheer number of votes we can deliver
at the ballot box we usually lose out to environmentalists,
preservationists, or a general public that doesn't agree that
facilities for boaters are consistent with the concept of "public"
access. That's not the worst argument in the world, either- "Why should
we have to be wealthy enough to own a boat in order to enjoy the public
shorelines?" When it comes to the number of dollars we can pump into an expensive
political campaign in order to call in favors after the election is
over, we usually lose out to corporate real estate developers. I would suppose that if easy solutions were readily apparent there
would be no need for the sponsoring organization to pass out awards to
the best ideas offered, wouldn't you? :-) |
Chuck
Jan 16
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| One group here is trying to assemble time lines and present them to the
public early and often. In other words, by the time city planners hold
public comment meetings, they've already got proposals in their hands from
consulting firms who've been paid a few million dollars. So, one goal is to
expose this practice to the public. Who authorizes town council idiots to
spend money on proposals for projects the public hasn't heard of yet, and
probably doesn't want? Is that money somehow different from other public
money? |
JoeSpareBedroom
Jan 16
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| I don't think anybody except billionaire developers and any politicians
they might happen to own would be in favor of the government taking
land from one private owner or group of private owners simply to award
it to another private owner. The issue that Boat/US is addressing has
more to do with the conversion of usage from public access and/or
boating
related infrastructure to private property without boating related
infrastructure and restricted or eliminated public access. It's a tricky balancing act. There are private property rights on one
side of the question. Why should Joe Doaks forego a $50-million sale of
the real estate upon which his boatyard happens to sit, simply to
continue operating a business where he might be lucky to net
$150,000 a year? From one perspective its unfair to Doaks to tell him
that he *must* provide services to boaters, yet it certainly impacts a
lot of people in the community when such services become no longer
available or the complete lack of competition in an area allows the
remaining vendors to price their services artificially high. This is a very complex issue when all sides are considered. |
Chuck
Jan 16
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| >would be no need for the sponsoring organization to pass out awards to
>the best ideas offered, wouldn't you? :-) National ain't gonna get it done. It has to be local first with help from national organizations. When the Rhode Island Saltwater Anglers pursued the Freedom to Fish
Act, they started local, then looked for help from the national
organizations like the Recreational Fishing Alliance and IGA who
contributed experts and some money. It worked as it got passed.Thinking locally is always the best. |
Short
Jan 16
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| In Virginia Beach and in the Jacksonville, Florida, area, too, public
access to the beaches is required. Even amidst the fanciest
neighborhoods along the Jacksonville-Atlantic coastline, the public has
guaranteed access through publicly maintained pathways/sidewalks every
few houses. Making beaches inaccessible to the public is inappropriate. We share a
small forest with other property owners in our area. The forest goes
right to cliffs on Chesapeake Bay. There's no beach unless you are
willing to jump down a cliff about 100' high. The land is posted for no
hunting and no motorized vehicles, but anyone who wants to hike the land
and enjoy nature is welcome. I've seen some folks flying kites right
there on the cliffs a few time. Why not? :>} |
Harry
Jan 16
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| Really? Look at what happened in Corpus Christi, TX then. The |
Short
Jan 16
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| Who funds the "public trust" that buys waterfront property? Is the
capital assembled from private donations, or is it a line item in your
state budget? Do I understand you to say that existing businesses and services
continue to operate after the trust takes over and the real estate
owners get a discounted, but tax free settlement? Are the parties that sell to the trust exempt from Federal taxes, or
just state taxes? |
Chuck
Jan 16
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| And, seriously, you ought to think about entering the contest. :-) |
Chuck
Jan 16
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| Towns, private donations, private non-profits, wildlife funds, |
Short
Jan 16
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| Heh - yeah, maybe. Although I find it hard to believe that somebody
hasn't thought of this yet - it's becoming more and more common. |
Short
Jan 16
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| I agree with you Tim: I think this is not just about the NW but everywhere. One of the things
I like about Georgia is around the big lakes we have lots of parks. But
the coast is becoming more and more developed and "Natural" coastline is
vanishing as well. But even the lakes are not going to be safe when the big money
developers decide to target them. The biggest contributor to the last
two governors has been the builders assoication. I like your - money talks and big money screams line. I will have to
save that one. Capt Jack R.. |
Jack
Jan 17
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