Marina Information

ActiveCaptain is not commercial. There is no cost. There are no advertisements. It is designed to be a place where you can find marinas, anchorages, and local knowledge visually on worldwide maps. It should be fast and interactive...and fun.

We've loaded the initial database full of 8,000 marinas in the US. Each entry holds 116 fields broken up into 5 sections and 49 groupings. The database includes common things like phone number, lat/lon, website, etc. but we also track things that aren't often documented - are pets welcome, diesel price/date, internet access, slip price per foot, and many other items. There is also an extensive capability for reviewing and rating a facility. Anchorages and "local knowledge" are much simpler and will be added next.

We need people to review the marine facilities in their area and make additions, corrections, reviews, etc. We need a lot of people.

ActiveCaptain is all about community. The framework will allow others to share their knowledge and experience. Adding the information you know into this framework will help many others and end up helping yourself when you cruise to an area that you are less familiar with.

====== Jeffrey and Karen Siegel Castine, Maine

Now, your ISP probably (most do) have a TOS that spells out a lot of things you can't do. You should check your individual ISP's TOS.

Steve

Since I am quoted... I'll try again.... I said, "web based forums." I did not mean, nor did I imply any USENET newsgroup. In fact, I specifically had in mind those (privately held) forums that had TOS and in most cases moderated (censored) content.

Rec.boats was created before charters were deemed necessary and when people acted with a bit more decorum than they do now. It is sad social commentary.

So, you can come here and be as bad as you want to be. Then, the only remaining venue will be a private site where you can go say (only) what the moderator wishes others to see and where you have to adhere to a certain code of behavior or be sued....

Thus, there is no charter, there is no TOS, there is, however, an out-of date FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.boats.html

Have at it.....

Do you remember the Richard Depew(sp?) incident of the early 90's?

> Now, your ISP probably (most do) have a TOS that spells out a lot of > things you can't do. You should check your individual ISP's TOS.

Only if you are threatening someone. If you are just being an asshole then they won't do anything.

I bet 'cha can't guess who uses cancelbots currently (without looking it up that is).

John H

--Mike

John H

Nowadays, I just stuff the a**holes into my Bozo Bin.

As of this morning, the following boys are playing with each other in there:

allota fagina .. M15 US CVNS Montgomery Scott Not Me John Herring Fredo Reggie in all his known false IDs Charles Dan Krueger Elvez Bert Robbins Screw you Jackoff whoamInot JB

It only takes a couple secs to stuff the latest a**hole in there.

I've always felt that nicks are an essential part of Usenet philosophy. It gives you some freedom to be who you are, but it also insulates you personally from, as you say, stalkers, etc. You don't see the great posters of years ago - Gharlane of Eddore, Deacon, James Boe (one of Usenet's Ten Most Wanted), Motar the Imperious, Namtar, modesty forbids me from naming a couple of my own :>) - the list keeps going and too many to list separately. All of them were witty, wrote acerbic laugh out loud funny and always meaningful commentary not only in the groups of their interest, but other groups as well. There were a lot of elite posters who engaged in free debate without rancor, employed no small amount of wordsmithing skills and most eventually became friends - the Code Duello in those Golden Days wasn't personal as much as it was to have a good discussion/argument.

However all that changed and Usenet is now a wasteland of petty and often inconsequential utterings of petty little tyrants who can't stay on point if their life depended on it. And Usenet has been usurped by the blogosphere with the less enlightened and skilled remaining on Usenet diddling on themselves in an orgy of stupid, irrational and often uninformed musings.

Oh well... :>)

The problem with many usenet groups is that they have been infested with slime who think they can get away with posting any sort of insult they like because they're "anonymous."

If you filter out the trash from these posters, you'll have a more readable newsgroup here:

allota fagina .. M15 US CVNS Montgomery Scott Not Me John Herring Fredo Reggie in all his known false IDs Charles Dan Krueger Elvez Bert Robbins Screw you Jackoff whoamInot JB

John H

In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom Harry wants to suck up! -- ***** Have a super day! *****

John H

>Using your real name flies in >the face of all online recommendations, and is basically stupid.

It is a new world, thunder. My employer posts more about me online than I ever have on Usenet.....

.....identity theft can't get very far without some pretty specific and personal information... which *shouldn't* be posted.

It's funny - My long time good friend Harold Foskett http://www.foskettequipment.com/html/about_us.html has an entire collection of antique machine tools - all of which still work and he can do amazing work with them - some of it I swear you can't do on a CNC machine. He has an original Heald internal grinder - how about that?

Years ago, I bought a Bridgeport from him when I was into restoring IH tractors and trucks. It's an old Bridgeport, but it still does a great job. Not being a machinist by training, I can do some simple stuff with it, but even at it's age, I can't really use all of it's capabilities - it's kind of like a really fancy drill the way I use it. :>)

If any of you are up here, I'd be glad to take you on the Foskett Equipment Tour of IH tractors and trucks - there are some incredible machines in his collection.

The personal, inflammatory attacks, and the off topic political bickering that was the norm in rec.boats for so many years is reason why most of the professionals left rec.boats.

Good luck staying current with the price of fuel at "8000 marinas". You must have a staff of about 20? :-)

More to the point..... Personally, I will refuse to post content to any site with this sort of Terms of Service. (That is one good thing about USENET.... we may have a few Net-Cops, but no attorneys.)

I don't see any point in assigning rights to *MY* intellectual property over to *ANYBODY*, without a monetary reward. However, if we are talking rights to a book or movie deal, we'll talk....

Additionally, I refuse to indemnify any site, nor will I, for any reason, agree to pay their legal or accounting fees. Regarding assumption of liability, I just don't believe that anything good can result from the use of the term, "without limitation."

If you are curious, the website's Terms of Service can be accessed from the bottom of their home page.

IMHO, if the OP's intent is to create a venue that,".....is not commercial. [with] no cost. [and] no advertisements....." it should be spun entirely away from his corporation and run as a fun, free, and non-commercial site. Then, the disconcerting legalese can be dropped.

Just my $.02.

That's what "throwaway" hotmail addys are for.

www.hotmail.com

Unfortunately, we live in a world with too many lawyers and we need to protect ourselves should someone enter libelous information on our site, as well as protect users from unauthorized access. We are not charging for the use of this site and don't want a frivolous lawsuit.

Our goal is to create something that will be useful for all boaters. If all participants simply offer honest, true information and opinions, we will all benefit.

I am sorry that our web site has upset you. It was certainly not meant to do that. Our intent is to provide a resource for fellow boaters. The web site arose out of our own desire to have access to this sort of information as we have cruised up and down the East Coast.

You are wise in advising potential users to read our Terms of Use page. Everyone should read these documents for every site they access. You may wish to reread the Terms of Service page for this web site (http://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/terms_of_service3.html) which also requires you to "indemnify" them (Section 13), to provide personal information to register (Section 3) and controls the content (Section 4).

It is unfortunate that in the times we live in we must worry about lawyers. However, as a free web site we really don't want to fight lawsuits. Like Google, who provides this free service, we must attempt to protect ourselves.

The spirit of ActiveCaptain is a place where we can share information and help one another have safer and more fun boating experiences. I hope you will some day take part. Karen

If you guys have not yet, in your trip south, transited the area south of New Bern, you should know that there are some *very* shallow ICW areas from north of Snows Cut in Wilmington to the Lockwood Folly Inlet area, approaching SC.

Additionally, abreast the town of Southport.... be VERY careful of your attention to the map. Any mis-reading of same is sure to put you hard aground.....

Rob

Rob

Eisboch

Relax.... you are using mozilla.... and posting through US DATA NET.....

That's the ticket!

You collect them with age.... I'm an antique....!