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Searay vs Cruisers-Yachts-Inc.

I have a 2004 SeaRay 260 w/ AlpahIII out drive and Mercruiser Gas Engine. Looking to step up in size, 35-37ft. SeaRay is Caddillac of Bruswick Boats with Maxum being the Pontiac and BayLiner being the Chevy. Where does Cruisers Yachts Fit in terms of Quality? I have no real issues w/ SeaRay but I do like the layouts of the Cruisers a bit more. Also wondering if i should step up to Diesels in stead of gas.

Thoughts?

blentz
Jan 29
Well, they do assemble a number of things after taking delivery from the manufacturer. So you definitely want to make sure they've got their act together for doing stuff like that. Ask to see how your model of boat comes delivered. Be wary of how things are added aftermarket. Anything putting a hole through the hull damn well better be done right. You don't want to get stuck in the middle of a pissing match between a half-ass dealer install of something and the manufacturer's warranty on the hull. Bill
Feb 1
Jim, my marina is my house! blentz
Jan 30
JimH tends to overlook a lot while reading. JLH
Jan 30
I think you are replying to Butch's post, not mine.

Good luck with the search!

JimH
Jan 30
I'm the guilty party espousing a change in marina. Sorry! However, I still feel it'll be difficult to sell a large boat with outdrives when the time comes. Butch
Jan 31
John Herring/JLH tends to overlook a lot while reading. ;-) JimH
Jan 30
My father was a Cruisers, Inc., dealer for many years, and I always thought they produced a good quality boat. I think the SeaRays are overdone and overpriced. If you are going to a boat in the size you are discussing, you do not want anything but diesels. No outdrives, no vee drives. Straight inboards. Harry
Jan 29
If you plan to use your boat more than just a few times a year the potentially extended longevity of a diesel, the improved fuel economy, stronger resale value, and potentially lower maintenance costs (no electrical tune-ups) would be an excellent choice on a 35-37 foot boat. It probably takes the average pleasure boater 7-10 years to 'recover' the additional investment in diesels, so if you're one of these boaters who has to buy a new boat every 2-3 years you might consider gas. Gas will resell for less than diesel, but the hit for gas engines at resale time is less than the upcharge for diesel when new.

With many boat builders choosing very high reving, small block diesels these days, the old concept that a diesel will always outlast a gas engine is not as absolute as it used to be. If you can choose a diesel with no more than about 2HP per c.i.d you have a better chance of seeing 4-5,000 hours (lucky people sometimes get a little more) before rebuild.

I can't tell from your question whether or not you're under the impression that a Cruisers Inc. is a Brunswick product. It isn't. (Unless Brunswick went on another shopping spree that I failed to notice). It wouldn't be ridiculous for a knowledgeable boater to compare Cruisers with Sea Ray, Meridian, or Maxum. Because people prioritize different aspects of a boat, it's almost impossible to objectively and definitively state that "Any brand X boat is better than any brand Y boat." You will find people very satisfied with every one of those brands, and quite a number will have a specific and personally valid reason for the choice they made. Other people will have chosed something else for equally valid reason.

When people knock a boat, it is often due to one small detail or another that they found personally off-putting. Example, "Did you notice the small deck cleats they used on this year's Brand Z? I think those cleats are crap. Obviously the entire boat has to be crap if they are going to use small deck cleats!" Of course the industry promotes this exact sort of thinking, as Brand A will install almost oversized cleats one year and then train all Brand A salespeople to pitch cleat size as a good barometer of overall build quality. 'Twas ever thus, and probably always will be.

Pick the model you find the most personally appealing and consider the best value. Any of the boats you're considering should easily prove stout and safe enough for decades of wonderful pleasure cruising. (Don't worry about resale value, as just like they say in the financial services commercials "past performance is no guarantee of future results". There's no telling how the fickle public will feel about one brand name or another in a few years. You're going to take a bath in a short term resale no matter what brand you wind up with.)

Chuck
Jan 29
Great advice. However, Given the water depth at my pier, i need the flexibilty of out-drives for minimizing draft at low-tides.

On Jan 29, 10:23 am, ble...@vocus.com wrote:

blentz
Jan 29
I agree w/ everything you said. Well stated. I know that Cruisers is not part of Brunswick. I'm just curious how the brand is percieved to the knowledgeable boating public. When looking at my SeaRay, i felt from a quality stand point that it was a tad short in that area. Nothing serious, but little things that when what you paid is considered, you feelt like they should have stepped it up a bit. I am under the impression that Cruisers is regarded as either on-par or slightly better than that of the SeaRay Brand - is this accurate?

I keep my boat out of the water on my pier on Kent Island Maryland, Salt Water for sure. Looking to get fresh water cooled. I have to go w/ I/Os to minimize draft as i have less than 3 feet of water at low tide. When you take the lift I-Beam and bunks into account, that easts up 15 inches or so. Every inch is critical if i want to get my boat off the lift at low tide.

For me, re-sale is not a factor and the only reason i am buing a "new" boat after 3+ years is that I want a bigger one. My first was a "test" to see if i would use it enough to jusitfy the coast. If I had deeper water, I'd most likely step up to a boat with 12' beam.

Thanks for the advice

blentz
Jan 29
>From what I have seen, first hand, of both Sea Ray and Cruisers I=20 would say there is no reason to avoid either boat. If there are some=20 aspects of the Cruisers that subjectively appeal to you more than the=20 Sea Ray, that will be at least as important as any minor technical=20 differences. In almost every case when you compare two pretty good=20 boats you can make a list of a few things that Brand A does better=20 than Brand B, and then make another list of what Brand B does better=20 than Brand A. Depending on how much a person individually prioritizes=20 the Brand A or Brand B advantages, one boat or the other may seem like=20 an obvious choice.

There is no real answer to the question: "What do boaters in general=20 think of Sea Ray vs Cruisers." They're both good boats, but if=20 everybody agreed that one was always better than the other they=20 wouldn't both be able to remain in business. People studying the=20 choice to death could arrive at different conclusions for valid=20 reasons.

More people are probably familiar with Sea Ray than with Cruisers, so=20 more people might be comfortable endorsing that choice- but that=20 should have nothing to do with an informed decision of which boat is=20 the best choice for you to make, with your money, for your family's=20 pleasure.

Chuck
Jan 29
There have been some serious evaluations of larger SeaRays showing significant shortcomings in hull fiberglass builds. If you haven't found these yourself, I can probably retrieve them. Harry
Jan 29
Yes, i have seen these. There are also skeptics on the Cruisers as built w/ Balsa below the water line. Not sure what the answer is. For my situation, we use the boat in the chesapeak bay and tributaries and are always w/in sight of land. If i was cruising 40 miles off-shore, i might have a different feeling about what is below the water line! blentz
Jan 29
Have you also looked at Regal and Maxum (a SeaRay without the *Bling*)? JimH
Jan 29
On boatered.com/forum/ there is a thread in the cruisers forum that you may find interesting. It is not pretty and may not be typical but I recomment you have a look.

As to outdrives. Given the cost of the boat you are comtemplating you should consider changing marinas if the depth of your marina will not allow you to use a conventionally propped boat. I think you'll find that a boat of that size will be very difficult to sell on the used market when the time for that inevitably comes.

Butch
Jan 30
>potentially extended longevity of a diesel, the improved fuel economy, Wayne.B
Jan 29
We have many of the same issues here in SWFL. It is relatively easy to remove some of the material under your lift. Talk to your local dock builder for some ideas.

Many people around here take their boat off the lift at high tide and tie it further out.

Wayne.B
Jan 29
The real issue with balsa below the water line is long term durability, and what happens when you hit something. Neither answer is particularly good. Wayne.B
Jan 29
Check the thread. It's his own pier on Kent Island. Bill
Jan 29
BLASPHEMY!!! JR blentz@vocus.com wrote:

SeaRay is Caddillac of > Bruswick Boats with Maxum being the Pontiac and BayLiner being the > Chevy.

JR
Jan 29
I hope you're not referring to the bogus nonsense posted by David Pascoe.

If so, my favorite shot is the one where the failed backyard repair, (looks like automotive bondo) is represented as typical OEM construction

Chuck
Jan 29
If you look at a boat with balsa coring, make sure that there are FRP fairing blocks for through hulls, etc. Should be. That will minimize a lot of the problems than can result from a cored hull, and be cautious about just drilling holes willy nilly in the future. Some multi- million-dollar mega yachts use balsa coring in the hull, so there are schools of thought that go beyond "Balsa coring is always bad news".

As far as the oft cited concern: "If you run up onto a rock and punch a hole in the bottom you are going to get the balsa coring wet", remember that if you run up onto a rock and punch a hole in the bottom you are going to be spending some serious do-re-mi, (yours or the insurance company's) to get things fixed again. Part of a proper fix would be removing and replacing any coring that was damaged or became wet as a result of the breach.

Chuck
Jan 29
>Pascoe. Wayne.B
Jan 30
Pascoe claims that most fiberglass boats are built over cores=20 consisting of junk materials and putty-type fillers. He doesn't=20 concentrate on balsa.

http://yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm

The 3rd and 4th photos on that page obviously show failed repairs. Why=20 would the builder randomly toss a section of junk putty into the=20 laminate, and how could you possbily continue the layup of a boat=20 (from the outside in) and leave trowel marks on the *outside edge* the=20 bondo?

The Sea Ray that he shows in that item is 16 years out of date.=20 According to the dates he has written on the scraps in the upper left=20 photo, it's a 1991.

Chuck
Jan 29
Most likely the SeaRay in the photo was built in the 80's. As Chuck eluded to, all mfg'ers have made substantial changes in their mfg'er process since then. It would not be prudent to make your buying decisions upon upon 20 yr old data. That being said I would be hesitant to buy a less expensive boat with balsa core hull below the water line. If so, I would want to verify that all thru holes and high stress areas, such as stanchions are solid fiberglass and are reinforced with a backing plate. Cruiser online sales info, went out of their way to discuss the metal reinforcing plate on their high stress areas, but did not mention solid glass around their thru holes. I would contact Cruisers directly to verify that info. Reginald
Jan 30
I did a lot of research before buying my last new boat. SeaRay's were vastly overpriced, but good boats. It came down to either a Cruisers, Inc. 3950 aft cabin or a Carver that was about the same size and configuration. I went around to the shipyards and surveyers in my area, and hands down, everyone recommended the Cruisers. Very good construction, well made, "built like a Hatteras" was one of the comments. I bought it and was very happy with it until sold. They have a good reputation, and the factory was very helpful when needed. That all being said, the local dealer was crap, and is now out of business. If you're buying new, the local dealer is at least as important as the boat, since they assemble it on site and do all the warranty work. Check them out as well. Keith
Jan 30
   

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