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Fishing Hook Safety

A while back I cited a state guv boating accident report where an old guy got all hooked and tangled in fishing gear, fell out of the boat and drowned. A couple days ago I ran across a post on a boating forum where a guy found himself drifting to a rocky lee shore and as he started to take action: 1. Hooked one thumb barb deep on a lure. 2. Because of some odd positioning and being in a hurry to get his boat underway he reached behind him with his other arm and hooked that thumb barb deep. He was now lthunb-cuffed by the lure with his hands behind his back. He yelled instructions to his wife to get the wire cutters, start the boat, etc, but he ended up just ripping one thumb loose. Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb luck. Sure, I might be careful and coordinated, but since I've never given any thought to "hook safety," there's been some luck involved. I firmly believe you can improve your luck by some thought to safety techniques, and that's what I'm looking for. For instance, anybody who has fished a bit knows and watches casting companions carefully, but a little lecture about safety before the first cast might improve safety. And I mean a little lecture, under 30 seconds, or a couple minutes if drunk. Maybe anybody casting should give a vocal warning each cast, as a pro forma routine. A spool tangle or wrapped line can get that lure bouncing around pretty hard, and at least you know to duck if it happens. Same goes if somebody is jerking to release a hook snagged on the bottom or a tree. That the vocal warning be given would be part of the "lecture." My casting partners have never snagged me or pulled out one of my eyes. But it's mostly luck. There's been a lot of near misses. Of course we had a lot of procedural safety stuff in the military, so I don't want to come off as a DI either, which would sure spoil the fishing. Since I'll be doing more fishing with family and others in the future, I just want to keep everybody safe. In thinking back to the times I've hooked my clothes or pricked skin, it always happens the same way. Never a loose lure or hook, because I *always* keep what's not on the line in the tackle box. If I'm at a fishing pier or rented boat I look around good where ever I place my behind or fingers. How I've always gotten snagged was when swinging the line to myself to change lure or bait. You know, you retrieve until you have your line out about a foot more than the length of your rod, and lifting the rod vertical swings it to you. You grab the line a safe distance above the hook end and lay the rod down or prop it, depending on location. But sometimes the wind blows it out of your hand, or you just misjudge and miss, or you grab it too high and hard and the hook flips up and snags you somewhere. This doesn't happen often if you're careful, and I just don't see a suitable alternative. But maybe somebody has one. Another thing is a fishing safety kit. Years ago I read of a method used to extract a deeply embedded hook using a piece of fishing line. It was hard for me get the concept, so I forgot it. I think it was a Minnesota doctor who often handled hookings that devised it, and it would back the hook out instead of pushing the barb through. Anyway, it did less damage and was better than pushing through. Those instructions would be in the safety kit, along with dedicated side cutters. Anyway, I'm just musing after reading of these incidents. I'm sure hooking happens all the time, but much of it can be avoided. If anybody has tips or experiences, I'd love to hear them.

--Vic

Vic
Apr 8
Terrific link. Thanks. I remember something different than string-yank. It was complicated enough I didn't get the concept, but that just might be me. If I find it, I'll post it. I'd probably just use pliers to yank it instead of tying a string, being impatient when some metal is sticking in me. I once stupidly flush embedded a 5/8" staple into my finger and had it out with a needlenose in less than 3 seconds, even though the pliers were in a toolbox across the garage. I was a blur. Don't know how some of the guys here are seem to almost take it as a matter of course. That stuff is major trauma for me. Had a rock crab cut my thumb once and I damn near fainted. I just hate it when that happens. I might just be a pansy, but I prefer to believe that rock crab got some kind of toxin into me.

--Vic

Vic
Apr 9
That's probably Emla creme. Keith
Apr 9
{Encyclopedia snipped.}

My doctor showed me a slick way of removing a hook using a scalpel, two of which he gave me after the explanation was over. I won't explain it here because I don't feel like it. Ask YOUR doctor to show you. It's a better method in any place where you'd want less scarring.

JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
ROTFL!!! Short
Apr 9
I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of numbing spray can help a lot. :>)

Short
Apr 9
I know that trick - it is pretty cool. Short
Apr 9
Ice works well also. But, burying your head in same may not be too comfortable! John
Apr 9
Sissy> 8>0 D.Duck
Apr 9
On a related note, for anyone lurking in this fascinating discussion: If you ever go to an emergency room and the attending nurse or physician hesitates when pondering which tool to use to remove the hook, leave immediately. Once, I had an embedded hook in the heel of my hand. My whole family was away, and I couldn't figure out a good way to stabilize the hook while cutting it. The physician's assistant wandered off and came back with tin snips, which would've torqued the hook in every imaginable direction, making the whole process nastier. I left.

I mentioned this episode to a dermatologist of my acquaintance. He gave me a prescription for some cream intended for people who need to inject themselves, but can't handle the pain. Takes about 20 minutes to numb the area. "From the same neighborhood as lydocaine", as he explained it.

JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how. JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message. John
Apr 9
Nope, looks good. I don't need GMT. John
Apr 9
In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time zone. JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my list as 9:59.

Weird!

John
Apr 9
Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with... JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.

John
Apr 9
John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations, what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich Mean Time, or some other zone? JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
-- *****Have a Spectacular Day!***** John H John
Apr 9
You're arguing with an idiot. Let it go. Harry
Apr 9
My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight savings. John
Apr 9
Harry, fix the clock on your computer. John
Apr 9
OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here. JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
*Your* computer says that, not mine! John
Apr 9
Just out of curiosity, what does your computer clock say? Short
Apr 9
All the other messages are appearing in logical order. Your ISP's news server must be ill. JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
Mine says 11:45 AM John
Apr 9
This may be a different problem - like maybe the ISP.

Mine are all coming through synched to my clock.

Did you set your GMT/EDT time right in Agent? You are using an early version - that might be the problem.

Short
Apr 9
That wouldn't surprise me. But, on my computer the messages I send show the time they were sent, accurately. John
Apr 9
11:45 AM Eastern time, adjusted for DST and wind direction. JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
My old Agent uses the time from the computer clock. There's no setting of the time in Agent itself, at least not in mine. John
Apr 9
"My little hand is on the 11 and..."

Here...see for yourself:

http://tinyurl.com/2qghj4

Harry
Apr 9
Weird. On my list the time showed up as 10:45 for that last message of yours. Harry's earlier message showed up with an hour difference also. It must be an ISP thing, 'cause the problem isn't consistent. John
Apr 9
Well, there's the problem right there.

Wrong wind direction.

Short
Apr 9
Well, at least we're making progress. Remember this always, John: I never lie, and I'm always right. JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
Was there ever any doubt? Remember, a statement based on incorrect 'facts' is not a lie. John
Apr 9
I manually set my computer ahead an hour last month because of the new daylight savings date. When the old date arrived last week, my computer jumped ahead another hour as it has for the last number of years. No one told it about the 'new' dates. I noticed it right away and had to set it's clock back an hour. I am on ADT Don
Apr 9
Are you saying John's toster is smarter than he is?? Don
Apr 9
My 'toster' is reely smart! John
Apr 9
That information is provided strictly on a need to know basis.

(thanks to William Casey for that handy item).

JoeSpareBedroom
Apr 9
>I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook >myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or >the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of >numbing spray can help a lot. :>)

Numbing spray. I'll add a small can to the kit. Cutting the hook out with a scalpel is sort of a no-brainer after a little practice. Hell, if I wanted to be a surgeon I'd just go to medical school. I'll see if I can find the Minnesota back out with fishing line trick. Think it was in Fishing Facts years ago. You've provided the only useful info yet and seem to be a generous soul. Mind if I trouble you a bit more? What time is it?

--Vic

Vic
Apr 9
Not at all.

>What time is it?

3:23 PM EDT

Short
Apr 9
String-Yank Technique?

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20010601/2231.html

thunder
Apr 9
eeeeeeeerr.... take up chess?

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BruceM
Apr 9
   

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