Wanting hurricanes
As a several generation N. FL native, I DO want hurricanes to hit
here. This says nothing about wanting anybody to die. Anybody with
any sense gets out of their way, anybody who stays is helping the gene
pool. The coastal ecology requires hurricanes here. Inland, we need
the rainfall storms provide. If you dont want hurricanes, go
somehwere else, they are part of the deal here.
My families older friends who owned fishing shacks near the coast
would not consider building on the beach (why would you want to live
there?) because of the wave action during storms. They built their
fishing shacks a few hundered feet from the shore and counted on
having em flooded. All eleictrical stuff was up in the attic to give
it a better chance of surviving. After the surge receded, they'd toss
the old bedding in the trash and go to thrift store for more.
YES, I DO WANT TO SEE YOUR CONDO WASHED AWAY. It has no business
being built on the beach where I have to subsidize its insurance. I
shouldn't have to pay to have your beach recovered with sand when it
washes away. Here in FL, the insuranee situation on waterfront stuff
got so bad that the state REQUIRES an insurance company to insure
coastal property if they are also going to insure inland properties,
of course, the state helps subsidize it with a state owned company.
Take your damned trained mouse and all other Disney trash theme parks
and go home, go back to your rust belt and leave FL to natives. Y'all
can come visit but dont stay. I cant even go to one of MY state parks
anymore cuz trhey so are filled with million dollar RVs there is no
room for us cheap tent campers. Best thing would be to genetically
engineer an organism that eats refrigerant so AC wont work. You'd all
go home then. |
oldfrogster
May 13
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| considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |
Gene
May 15
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| What creates clouds Gene? How are the dynamics of weather given their |
Short
May 15
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| Why don't you buy it? |
Short
May 15
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| Carefull - you might be considered a "denier" thus hostile to the
Church of Global Warming, Al Gore Synod. |
Short
May 15
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| Hooo Rah! |
John
May 15
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| considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: >
>Hooo Rah! I think that makes the point of unquestioned wholehearted acceptance
of an ill considered position a lot better than I ever could
have......
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Gene
May 15
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| Tell me one thing that was ill considered. Just one. |
Short
May 15
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| Bull hockey. It was well written and considered. Not the politically
inspired crap that is way too prevalent. |
John
May 15
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| forth the following: > That's the problem many of us are having with the
> 'data' that suggests man is the root cause of global warming. No such data exist. |
Fred
May 16
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| sprach forth the following: |
Fred
May 16
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| Let's blame it on those Icelanders who are releasing all that
geothermal energy that was safely sequestered in the ground like the
oil. |
gfretwell
May 15
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| On May 15, 7:13 pm, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" |
Chuck
May 16
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| I know what it holds - at some point today, I'm going to have to visit
the doc and get a little heavier pain medicine - Tylenol ain't cutting
it. :>) And I'm out of Naproxen. :>) As for further out, I don't care. |
Short
May 15
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| Try some Ultram before you go the Vicodin/Percocet route. |
BAR
May 15
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| Not sure there is one, but it is a pretty stock example that
correlation is not a sufficient determinant of causality. See any
elementary statistics text. >Are you trying to imply there's no causal relationship between the sun and
>the warming of the earth? As far as I know, the sun is the ONLY cause of warming of the earth.
Fossil fuels are only stored solar energy and the current debate is
over how man may be affecting the release of that energy and the
dynamics of how that energy may be affecting the radiation of that
energy. I remain skeptical of data that suggests that solar wind has the
effect of blowing away the protection of cloud cover, which then
causes heating of the earth. Rather than being some gloom and doom prognosticator, I'd just like to
keep an open mind that man might (and I think does) have an impact on
global warming. Those that say than man "just couldn't" have any
effect are trying to form a negative proof in lieu of scientific
method and must, therefore, have some other agenda (political, most
likely) rather than science or logic. |
gene.boating
May 15
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| This rant makes you sound like thoses hillbilly hicks we see on TV
everytime a trialer park gets nailed in your area. Sorry you were not
successful enough to get yourself into a better place. We work hard
all our lives, so our tax money can support your paradise but then
when we retire you tell us to stay out! You are a mad old man, screw
off! |
justwaitafreki...
May 15
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| Well, there is at least one other possible source, the earth's core.
Friction from fluid movements keep the core quite hot. There are a few
scientists who have postulated, that changes there, may in fact, be
heating the oceans and contributing to global warming. I'm sorry but I
can't find the links where I read this. |
thunder
May 15
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| I don't buy their science or logic, but I think this is a
representative link:
http://bioresonant.com/news.htm |
gene.boating
May 15
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| Nah, that deep-earth reactor theory, I believe, comes from Herndon: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=58687 But, it is not what I was referring to. Somewhere, I was reading that
the earth's core is not symmetrical, but, IIRC, more pumpkin shaped, and
due to movement, was heating the earth's crust with variable output. I
don't know if I buy it. My theory is, there are scientists who have
spent there entire careers studying climate. If they can't be sure, I
figure neither can I, even with the help of Google. ;-) |
thunder
May 15
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| I think you've said it all when you say, "I remain skeptical of data
that suggests..." That's the problem many of us are having with the
'data' that suggests man is the root cause of global warming. |
JohnH
May 15
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| Maybe earth's man-made pollution influences sunspot activity! 8>) |
D.Duck
May 14
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| It certainly is NOT impossible. Simply measure the temperature at an infinite number of locations and divide
by infinity! See how easy it is? |
D.Duck
May 14
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| I'll be happy to argue global warming in another thread. This thread
is about wanting hurricanes to get rid of the blight of condoes on the
shores of FL.
Us real native Floridians have never wanted tourists and have no need
for em. It is the idiot transplants who saw Fl as some sort of scam
paradise for foolish yankees who sold that line of goods. We would
not need any rebuilding after hurricanes if idiot yanks would stop
building condoes on sand that moves with every little wind blow.
FL has hurricanes, wildfires, cockroaches the size of small planes,
poison snakes that'll really creep you out, rabid alligators and
swarms of biting bugs and more. It isnt paradise but it is home for
some of us. I dont go to Minnesota or some other yankee hellhole and
try to build a crackershack on every body of water so why do you think
you should come here and foul MY beaches with your condo filth?
I dont mind you comin down to visit and I'll even show off our
springs, salt marshes filled with mullet and maybe a beach or two (WTF
is so attractive about beaches), but then you go home.
I f I heard Al queda wanted to nuke Orlando, I'd offer em my services,
till then, wildfires and hurricanes will hafta do. |
oldfrogster
May 14
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| "proved"
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2006/08/09/studies_prove Right. |
gene.boating
May 14
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| >the following: |
gene.boating
May 14
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| Don't tell these people that, they would be very disappointed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png |
gene.boating
May 14
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| sprach forth the following: > Us real native Floridians have never wanted tourists and have no need
> for em. You sure don't mind taking their money to rebuild your $10 million second
homes. |
Fred
May 14
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| sprach forth the following:
Liberals aren't good at math. |
Fred
May 14
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| the following:
Uh... the proof was in the actual hurricane season, not in any "study". |
Fred
May 14
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| On 14 May 2007 18:30:25 GMT, Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: >
>Uh... the proof was in the actual hurricane season, not in any "study". You find conclusive proof over the course of one year that global
warming is a hoax, yet at the same time declare that 150 years of
climate data is so small a sample of global weather that it proves
nothing. Clearly, this isn't going to go anywhere. So, I'm headed to the shower... perhaps you can find another teacher
of porcine ballet.
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Gene
May 14
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| following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
That does seem bogus.... but, it seems the rules got changed in 2002.
http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2007/05/first-named-storm-bust.html
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Gene
May 14
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| sprach forth the following: |
Fred
May 14
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| Of course they did. :>) |
Short
May 14
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| Sure would like to see the stork site. Are you trying to imply there's no causal relationship between the sun and
the warming of the earth? |
John
May 14
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| You've got to love "Global Warming Art", for whom your image was created. "Image from Global Warming Art This image is an original work created for Global Warming Art." The chart *may* reflect the average temp of the date gathered at the
individual sites. The individual sites do not blanket the earth. What part
of the *average* is influenced by data collection points in the middle of
New York and other cities which have grown tremendously in the past 150
years? |
John
May 14
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| Actually Andrea was just downgraded, It stalled of the coast of
Georgia for a week or so and then came across Florida as a "no name"
storm today. It was fairly exciting for about 20 minutes, lots of
lightning, some microbursts, wind gusts up around 60 and an inch and a
half of rain. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple tornados
Pretty much what we can expect on any summer day |
gfretwell
May 14
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| I'll be happy to argue global warming in another thread. This thread
is about wanting hurricanes to get rid of the blight of condoes on the
shores of FL.
Us real native Floridians have never wanted tourists and have no need
for em. It is the idiot transplants who saw Fl as some sort of scam
paradise for foolish yankees who sold that line of goods. We would
not need any rebuilding after hurricanes if idiot yanks would stop
building condoes on sand that moves with every little wind blow.
FL has hurricanes, wildfires, cockroaches the size of small planes,
poison snakes that'll really creep you out, rabid alligators and
swarms of biting bugs and more. It isnt paradise but it is home for
some of us. I dont go to Minnesota or some other yankee hellhole and
try to build a crackershack on every body of water so why do you think
you should come here and foul MY beaches with your condo filth?
I dont mind you comin down to visit and I'll even show off our
springs, salt marshes filled with mullet and maybe a beach or two (WTF
is so attractive about beaches), but then you go home.
I f I heard Al queda wanted to nuke Orlando, I'd offer em my services,
till then, wildfires and hurricanes will hafta do. You a Seminole Indian? |
Calif
May 15
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| Our views on the news reports differ. Global warming is occurring, |
BAR
May 14
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| Nostradamus? Is that you? |
Short
May 15
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| Yes my son, would you like to know what your future holds? |
BAR
May 14
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| The "threat" of hurricanes in Florida is certainly real, but the probability
of a direct hit by the eye is pretty small, mainly due to Florida's large
area. The three that hit the area where we had property ... Jupiter,FL
...... (Francis and Jeanne in 2004 and then Wilma in 2005) were the first
that had scored a direct hit in that area in over 100 years. Eisboch |
RCE
May 13
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| GLOBAL WARMING!!!! Git 'cher carbon credits B4 it's 2 layate!!! |
Short
May 13
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| The probability of your house burning to the ground is slight yet you insure
it against that possible catastrophic event. As you know it is all a matter of probability *and* severity. Some
insurance companies have decided to get out of the Florida market as the
severity has trumped probability. |
JimH
May 13
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| considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |
Gene
May 13
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| I would not tie global warming into this issue...numerous
severe hurricanes were predicted last year by the global warming alarmists,
riding the coat tails of the 2005 season, yet their predictions fell flat. |
JimH
May 13
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| considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |
Gene
May 13
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| Hmmm - just where is "Tropica Storm Andrea" which really wasn't a
tropical storm but a sub-tropical storm which means that they are so
damn scared of being off in numbers and names this year that they had
to cheat. :>) What - "Andrea" lasted like maybe one day? |
Short
May 14
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| So what are the alarmists predicting for this year? May I quote you when thier doom and gloom prediction fall short once again? |
JimH
May 13
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|
Hurricanes coming off Lake Erie... |
HK
May 13
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| ROTFL!!! However, that's not all that far fetched. The storm that sunk the
Edmond Fitzgerald had all the classic signs of a hurricane. And from
some of the reading I've been doing over the years about that storm
and others, it's happened once or twice - classic cyclonic storms with
super high winds in November. |
Short
May 14
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|
Besides...I happened to stumble upon this lady on the Montel Williams show.
She predicts a big hurricane season this year.
http://www.tvtalkshows.com/sylviabrowne/ |
Don
May 13
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| > So what are the alarmists predicting for this year? I don't know about alarmists, but Dr. Gray is forecasting hurricane
landfalls well above average. However, Dr. Gray believes there are other
factors at work, not global warming. http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Forecasts/2007/april2007/ |
thunder
May 14
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| the following: |
Fred
May 14
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|
>May I quote you when thier doom and gloom prediction fall short once again?
Sure. May I, then, assume that you will wholeheartedly accept that global
warming is affecting hurricane production if they are correct in their
predictions? |
gene.boating
May 14
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| sprach forth the following: |
Fred
May 14
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| sprach forth the following: |
Fred
May 14
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| sprach forth the following: |
Fred
May 14
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| 5 years does not make a trend when dealing with the Earth's climate. |
BAR
May 14
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| Exactly! If they, the climate alarmist, didn't see El Nino coming what
justifies their assertion that the Earth is going to burn life off of
its surface in the next 25 years? |
BAR
May 14
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| Wow, it's been Florida that has begged us to come down there or half a
century! If we all leave do we still have to rebuild you after storms,
subsidize your crops, and, er, what was your other industry/natural
resource before we all moved down there from the "education belt"? And
brought with us, our money belt? |
justwaitafreki...
May 14
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| No. |
JimH
May 14
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| He actually seems to take the position that global warming is
inversely related to hurricane genesis, but admits that, "I am now
giving more of my efforts to the global warming issue and in
synthesizing my projects’ many years of hurricane and typhoon
studies." Personally, I think the warmer the water the more likely a storm will
form and the more likely the storm will be strong. The textbook cause
of hurricanes is water vapor evaporated from the ocean's surface. If
that isn't caused and controlled by ocean temperatures, I'm clueless
and I'm betting all weather textbooks need to be revised with whatever
new stuff is making this happen. I guess we'll just wait and see how the season goes and then evaluate
.. |
gene.boating
May 14
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| I'm still looking for your proof that global warming doesn't exist. |
basskisser
May 14
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| That is the problem in a nutshell. 5 years is really nothing.... and
much of the data accrued over the years lacks the scope and detail now
available via satellite. I remember hurricane Hazel.... and I don't think that hurricane had
anything to do with global warming.
I remember Katrina and I don't think that hurricane was *caused* by
global warming, but I think it likely that it was made worse (than it
could have been) by the warmer Atlantic waters.
There are some that cite a 1915 hurricane in New Orleans that caused
great destruction and the deaths of hundreds as "proof" that global
warming has nothing to do with hurricanes (if it happened then, it can
happen now). To me, common sense, and every weather textbook I have ever read leads
me to conclude that warmer waters will affect hurricane activity. I
think I'll hang on to that thought until I see something that
convinces me otherwise and motivates scientists to rewrite what I have
already read. |
gene.boating
May 14
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| I don't think anybody predicted that..... either the alarmists or the
ones confident that global warming changes nothing. Pick your favorite weather scientists that thinks global warming
doesn't exist. How does he know..... yep, that's right he is
*predicting temperature changes* .... just the changes that make you
comfortable. That makes him lots more correct, right? |
gene.boating
May 14
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| the following: |
Fred
May 14
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| >sprach forth the following: |
gene.boating
May 14
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| the following: > To me, common sense, and every weather textbook I have ever read leads
> me to conclude that warmer waters will affect hurricane activity. This chart: http://www.research.noaa.gov/spotlite/archive/spot_sunclimate.html shows a near 1:1 correlation between solar activity (sunspots) and
temperature on earth. Can you produce a similar chart showing correlation
between temperature and hurricanes? |
Fred
May 14
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| the following:
Yes, that means the writers took the aberration of 2005 and ran with it as
a bunch of hysterical kooks trying to exploit others' true tragedies for
political (and funding) gain. Sickening. > thus, not referring to the 2006
> season, at all? So where is the link to the retraction, since 2006 proved they were a bunch
of morons, kooks or funding-chasers? |
Fred
May 14
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| Look it up - your supposedly a freakin' genius engineer with all kinds
of expertise including concrete. |
Short
May 14
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| >sprach forth the following: |
Short
May 14
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