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Boaters changing behavior in response to fuel costs.

Interesting 4 day, 3 night cruise.

Splendid weather.

Our general destination was about 60 miles from Seattle. We encountered a "cruise in" sponsored by a large cruising club. I know several people associated with the group and we were bs-ing about things in general when one of the organizers mentioned, "We originally had close to 40 boat scheduled to make the Memorial Day Cruise, but as the date got closer more and more them dropped out. We wound up with 16 boats instead of 40. Almost everybody who dropped out mentioned fuel costs as either the main reason or one of the more important reasons for cancelling."

Interesting.

We stopped at Bainbride Island on the way back to Seattle today, (Bainbridge is just a few miles from Seattle), and Eagle Harbor was *jammed* until very late on Monday afternoon. Looks like people are going boating, but not going as far.

A possible upside may be that the casual, once-in-a-while, jerkaround boaters might not be out at all this year. The amount of goofball nonsense on the VHF, bogus Maydays, kids playing with the radio, and just plain clueless VHF operation seemed to be way, way down. Either the screwballs have migrated to text messagin one another or there are fewer of them on the water.

Chuck
May 28
Leave the dolphins alone! Don
May 29
Starting to see lots of 20-25 footer trailer boats for sale on the net. More than usual for this time of the season. My neighbor has not even uncovered his 22 foot Grady, don't think he is going to put it in this year, I know it was getting expensive for him to run it last season. Me, I am watching now for something with a decent 50 horse and trailer I can put with my Brockway skiff. Might be a good season for me to find one with the gas prices being as they are. justwaitafreki...
May 29
I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean the mammal..... http://indian-river.fl.us/fishing/fish/dolphin.html Gene
May 29
Once tried a recipe for broiled Flipper with lemon

The black smoke set off the smoke alarm, the fire department showed up, and we finally wound up junking the stove. :-)

Chuck
May 29
A lot of people of moderate means enjoy boating. A lot of folks with modest boats couldn't justify a $2300 3-day weekend (like your fishing trip). Unfortunately, it's the modest boats owned by folks of modest means that often have the most immodest appetites for fuel. At $5 a fuel dock gallon and perhaps 1nmpg fuel efficiency a 120 mile round trip cruise is a $600 weekend, plus possible additional expenses for moorage, restaurant meals etc.

The increased cost of fuel has taken a bite out of a lot of folks who have no option oother than to commute for a living, many of whom live paycheck-to-paycheck. While it's easy to wonder what some of these folks are doing trying to own a boat in the first place, it's a fact that there are a lot of folks who only marginally afford boating and when their "have to" fuel expenses go way up they are forced to cut back on the "want to" items to make up the difference.

The only thing that has changed dramatically from previous years is the cost of fuel. People are still getting out, but staying closer to home in my observation.

My boat burned about 15 gallons round-trip, (but it took me the better part of a day each way)......but my boat wouldn't be suitable for a lot of folks who need to go fast for the sheer thrill of doing so or want to pull skiers, etc.

Folks as well off as you are don't need to worry about the cost of fuel and most won't. :-) The rest of us paupers out here either need to be lucky enough to own a very fuel efficient boat or face some tough decisions about how we'll spend our boating dollars.

When we make our long summer cruise up into Canada later this summer it will be interesting to see if there is a drop off from last year in the number of US boats in various anchorages and marinas. There were fewer in 2006 than there were in previous years, so my guess is there were be fewer in 2007 than in 2006 as

Chuck
May 29
As a fellow owner of a single diesel trawler, I wish I could share your joy.

Every boater, power and sail, is directly or indirectly damaged by these high fuel costs. There is a certain critical mass of people interested in boating required to sustain the infrastructure of fuel docks, marinas, supply vendors, repair professionals, etc. Everybody depends on the same infrasturcture, whether an individual burns 60 gph, 20 gph, 2 gph, or sails.

Chuck
May 29
Everybody has a different level of dedication to the pastime, and that's fine. There are a few people who feel that the last thing in life they would ever give up would be boating, no matter what the costs or other sacrifices required. On the other end of the scale there are folks who might go out in a boat if somebody offered them a ride, but certainly wouldn't pay for the experience.....

Most eveybody else is somewhere in between. A high percentage will probably spend $100 per weekend to boat. Move that to $200, and there will be some dropouts. Move it to $300, and the crowd would begin to thin considerably. Every hundred bucks higher will accelerate the attrition rate. There's no cost level at which eveybody will instantly give up boating, but we only need to look around to see that at each increment of increased cost we lose a few more folks who cannot (or choose not to) afford it.

Chuck
May 29
Would it be ok if he called it mahi mahi?

--Vic

Vic
May 29
On 29 May 2007 08:03:18 -0700, Chuck Gould Vic
May 29
Perhaps there's a category of boaters who can afford the petrol prices but who simply don't want to bend over so the oil companies can shove it up there. HK
May 29
But those folks will continue to drive, fly, heat/cool their homes and swimming pools. We're fairly well screwed down by the oil companies, and giving up a part of ones personal enjoyment just to "show 'em" makes about as much sense as not buying gas on May 15 each year. Chuck
May 29
On May 29, 11:02=EF=BF=BDam, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> Chuck
May 29
It is very easy to give up boating, when you only boat 1 day a year. Reginald
May 29
Just keep on waving that white flag, Chuckster. Some who can afford what they want are driving and flying less, using less air conditioning, and letting the sun heat our pools.

Putting the screws to Big Oil can be an act of patriotism.

"We can't do nuttin', so let's keep on keeping on..."

I've been out boating seven times since the beginning of the season here this year. I'm keeping a very close eye on fuel consumption and operating so as to use as little as possible.

HK
May 29
Are you in the running for Boat Manufacturer's Assn "pimp of the year"? HK
May 29
The big boats were comfortably tied to their respective docks when we traveled down the Vermilion River yesterday. I also counted about a dozen of those boats with "For Sale" signs on them.

There were, however, many boats running up and down the river in the 17'~27' range, with the fishing spots on the Lake filled with boats of that size.

Gas on the river was going for $3.79 on average.

JimH
May 29
We eat them all the time here. Occasionally we'll score a bald eagle for some Yankee surf & turf. Dan
May 29
>Are you in the running for Boat Manufacturer's Assn "pimp of the year"?

Unnecessary roughness, 15 yard penalty. Do not pass go.

Wayne.B
May 29
Give him a break, Wayne. It's the only trick the old has-been can manage to remember. His Momma should have taught him some manners. Chuck
May 29
I love it. Every time fuel costs go up, my single diesel trawler's value goes up. Fuel is probably the least cost of cruising for me. Insurance and maintenance are way up there, dockage also. Keith
May 29
I went to the Florida Keys by boat this past weekend for 3 days. We slept on the boat, and managed to fish only one and half days due to rough sea conditions.

Fuel burn was 270 gallons...100 gallons each way, and 70 gallons heading to and from the fishing grounds, and trolling for 8 hours.

Fuel costs were $960 ($3.57/gallon), the slip was $170 for two nights, and drinks, food, and provisions were under $200. Total=around $1400.

If I had gotten a hotel on Memorial Day weekend for two nights, it would have cost me $500, and a fishing charter would have been $900 for one day and $500 for the second day. We would have had to go out to breakfast, lunch, and dinner rather than bring our own food, which would have added another $300 to the tab for 3 days. Gas for the car ride would have run another $100. Total=$2300.

Boating and fishing on a liveaboard is still cheaper than a hotel, dining out, and hiring a fishing guide. I'm surprised that so many boaters who own large expensive live-aboards would cite "higher fuel costs" as the reason for cancelling a planned trip that involved travelling only 120 miles round-trip. An extra $1/gallon at the pump would have added less than $150 to their trip.

"Chuck Gould" <chuckgould.chuck@gmail.com> wrote in message

NOYB
May 29
In February, I flew down to Ft. Lauderdale. Cost me $250 round trip. I went charter fishing one day with three other guys, cost me $275. One night of the hotel was around $300. Ate maybe $50 of food that day, probably half that.

I think your numbers are a bit off.

HK
May 29
Where is this and what were you fishing for? Short
May 29
Cost *you* personally $275...or $275 each? There were 4 of us. NOYB
May 29
Florida Keys. Offshore for dolphin, wahoo, tuna, sailfish, etc. Most charters on a 30+ foot boat costs $800-900 for 7-8 hours...plus a $100 tip. NOYB
May 29
Fishing was tough due to 7-9' seas with a 6 second period on day one, and 5-7' seas with a 5 second period on day two. Wind was blowing 20-25 knots steady out of the northeast against the stream for over a week. Even at night, winds were 15-20. NOYB
May 29
Just me. HK
May 29
Then the rate that I cited was spot on. $275*3 plus tip is over $900. NOYB
May 29
I'm not. I like the reef fishing. You never know what you are going to find, though typically I catch kingfish and sometimes yellowtail. I don't believe in C&R for pelagics, and I have no need of that amount of fish for the table or freezer. When I catch a kingfish, I bring it back to the hotel, have the chef cook up something nice for my party, and let him decide what to do with the rest of the steaks.

Actually, when I go out on the head boats, I find a spot on deck that is not too crowded and then driftfish my own bait, rather than bottom fish. I usually get away with it.

HK
May 29
I'm not a big fan of kingfish. The flesh is too grey for me. It's good on the smoker though.

Yellowtail are excellent.

If I make the trip to the east coast or the Keys, I'm hoping to get a large dolphin, wahoo, or tuna to bring enough back for the freezer.

NOYB
May 29
   

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