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No wonder big $$$ boats are finding a market.......

A recent item in the local paper explains why $300,000 fishing boats are finding buyers and why new 45-footers can command prices north of $1mm.

In my local county there are now 68,000 households with net worth in excess of a million dollars, *excluding* equity in a personal residence. (If they didn't exclude home equity, that figure would be several times higher).

According to the same item, some of the investment brokerges are redefining "highly qualified" investor for purposes of risk tolerance assessment. The old standard for many was that an investor be a "millionaire" (net worth of seven figures excluding home equity), but since you can now have liquid assets of $1mm and still be considered upper middle class that standard is being moved to $2.5mm or higher at many firms. One brokerage house reserves its premium services for clients with nets of $10mm or more, lumping the rest of the mere millionaires into a group they call "moderately affluent". :-)

None of this involves me, of course. I can calculate my net worth on any particular day by reaching into my pocket and adding up the value of the dimes and quarters jingling around.

But it does explain why boats priced at 6, 8, 10 and 20 times more than an "average" annual salary of about $50k have no problem selling and why so many marinas are reconfiguring as rapidly as they can to increase the number of 50-60 foot slips. There's plenty of money out there, (somewhere!). :-)

Jun 13
Now we know why we're losing the middle class, as several liberals have said repeatedly. They're becoming millionaires. John
Jun 13
While I do calculate my net worth by adding up the coins in my pocket, I know a number of folks lucky enough to be included among those 68,000 households. Most of them are busily working for a living and fretting over the household budget every month. Those "millionaires" are part of the middle class. $1mm isn't what it used to be, not by a very long shot. It certainly doesn't imply unlimited personal or financial options. If you plowed $1mm into a personal single family residence, for instance, you wouldn't be able to live in anything beyond one of the "upper middle class" neighborhoods in Seattle or many other metro areas.
Jun 13
The way I read the article, the million dollars didn't include the family residence, which would raise the net worth 'several times higher'.

I would still submit that, given facts like these, the constant whining about the loss of the middle class is somewhat disingenuous.

John
Jun 13
You shouldn't include equity in a family home as a financial asset, unless you plan to take up living in a tent. That's like considering the market value of one of your kidneys; sure you own it, but you're going to need to use it and can't covert it to cash.

Go where the middle class used to be, John. You'll still find a lot of people there, but not like a couple of generations ago. Some have moved "up", and some have moved down. If it was 10%, 65%, 25% (wealthy, middle class, poor) in the 60's its probably closer to 20%, 45%, 35% today. The middle class is still the largest group, but isn't growing while the wealthy class and the "have nots" are. It also takes a lot more money to be middle class today. We're both old enough to remember when $1000 a month was a pretty respectable income, so maybe nothing's changed too much except we've added a zero to everything in sight. :-)

Jun 13
The biggest change, in my opinion, is expectations at each level. I would dare say that in your change in the "poor" from 25% to 35%, that 10% at the top of the new poor group has more and better "stuff" than the bottom 10% of the middle class did in the 60s. More of them own cars, have TVs, (obviously more have computers), live in air conditioned homes, buy $100 tennis shoes, eat more prepackaged and restraurant meals... and on and on. They are living more like the lower middle class or better of the 1960s, but "feel" poorer because they see what others have. It is drilled into them as they watch TV and movies (on their DVD players and IPODs) and see what we pass off as the norm. " Poor" is an extremely relative term. Dave Hall Dave
Jun 13
There's certainly some merit to your observation. Poor in the 60's was going to shcool without shoes. Poor in 2007 is going to school in sneakers that sell for less than $150 a pair. :-)
Jun 13
My dream in high school was to make $10,000 a year. Yup, times have changed.

I think if we'd stopped illegal immigration back in 1986, the 'have nots' would not be nearly as sizeable. Plus, we'd have a lot fewer cars on the road.

John
Jun 13
   

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