Neat trick for coolers...
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers. First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM. As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees. However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees. Cool huh? Get it - cool? |
Short
Jun 27
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| Not sure about the plain part. |
CalifBill
Jun 28
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| Really...care to expound on that? |
Short
Jun 28
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| cite? LOL! |
Jun 28
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| Indeed it does, must be served ice cold however. Once it warms up
it's almost as bad as diet coke. Docked overnight at Coinjock Marina in North Carolina - best prime
ribs in the world, mmmmmm good. |
Wayne.B
Jun 28
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| Wayne, did those steaks go down better with salted ice? or merely
regular ice? ?: > |
Jun 29
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| Yum, sounds great. You'll have to teach me how to do it. We just
bought a milk shake maker, the old fashion bullet looking kind, have
not dialed it in yet, might just need better ice cream ;) |
Jun 28
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| Yeah, I wouldn't crfank that contraption 24 hr.s a day either.... All is well here..... |
Jun 28
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| i thought you were calling him on the "add rock salt" All is cool (get it? "cool"?) here... LOL |
Jun 28
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| Um - they are called "milk" shakes not "ice cream" shakes. You want to use heavy milk - milk with the cream still in it. If you
can't get that, just add some heavy cream to straight milk - not that
no-fat or 1/2% crap, but whole milk. Flavor to taste. Wife used to make them for the kids around here - when there were kids
around here that is. :>) As to ice cream - piece of cake - very simple. |
Short
Jun 28
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| On Jun 28, 5:39?am, Short Wave Sportfishing <e...@swsports.org> > As to ice cream - piece of cake - very simple.- Cake and ice cream? sounds good to me.... |
Jun 28
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| A little sweet for me. I like plain old vanilla, plain old strawberry. I'm a plain old kind of guy. |
Short
Jun 28
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| But not as quick... |
Jun 27
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| >Didn't you serve in SE Asia? yeah - but that was the gobmint's money. :>) |
Short
Jun 27
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| Jah mon... I will head up this afternoon and get a licence for Mass.
Probably head straight up 83 should find me something, dad will enjoy
the ride. BTW, dad tells me I have kin folk with property on the lake,
I never knew that. Call you this evening. Got some pretty good lake tackle, what size
line should I bring, note, I am into light tackle fishing. |
Jun 27
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| LOL! That'sw what I mean. "Necessity is the Mother of Invention" |
Jun 27
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| Whatever is on sale. Right now, Coke is 2 twelves for $6, Pepsi is 2 twelves for $5 at Hess.
Plus tax & Deposit. Minus 5% if you use your free Hess/Chase VISA. I
just bought 4 twelves of the Diet P to get me through the weekend. $10 + .73 tx + $2.40 deposit = $13.13. Final cost $12.47, or $10.07
after I return the empties. Rob |
trainfan1
Jun 27
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| You guys are talking bilge cleaner, right ?
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Ron
Jun 27
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| Agreed. > Diet Coke is the diet cola of choice. Have you tried Coke Zero? It is the only way to go when drinking a diet
cola. ;-) |
JimH
Jun 27
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| How many of the new Emergency Truck toys did you buy at Hess. That's the
important question! |
John
Jun 27
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| And submarines have screen doors. ;-) |
JimH
Jun 27
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| I'm serious. We have an oak bucket with the SS insert and the churner
with four speeds depending on how much air you want in the ice cream.
I get the cream from a local farmer. We can make a gallon at a time. Ain't nothing like home made ice cream. With fresh cream - straight from the cow - well, not straight, but you
get my point. |
Short
Jun 27
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| Not weird. The ice just does not melt much with the cans in there. They
cool down the place touching the ice, and then slowly melt. The salt lowers
the freezing temperature to less than 29 degrees and all that ice melting
takes up a huge amount of heat energy. Ice going from frozen to liquid
state gives up a, if I remember correctly 100 calories per gram when
changing state. To raise the liquid water one degree C only takes 1 calorie
per gram. So the ice melting the ice sucks up lots of the heat from the
cans. |
Calif
Jun 28
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| That's about my opinion of it, too! |
Jun 27
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| I'd have to agree with Tom on this one, Jim. The ice melts much faster with the salt on it. Just like the roads in
the winter. it drives the cold from the brine though the metal
canister, and chills the ice cream faster, otherwise you'll seem to be
cranking the machine half the night. That is, unless it's electric.... |
Jun 27
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| A few people in Ohio must not know how good homemade ice cream is. In
my neck of the woods, it is not unusual for people to make home made ice
cream, especially on cookouts and BBQ's. The key is to make a large
quanity of a base and then make smaller quantity of your favorite flavors. A traditional handcrank model:
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=123010 An assortment of 30 different ice cream makers:
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodli.asp?Keywords=ice+cream |
Reginald
Jun 27
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| The technique was never questioned.....it is proven and ageless! Whether or not Tom and/or his wife make hand churned ice cream as claimed
was the question..Tom responded that they indeed do......case
closed. |
JimH
Jun 27
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|
> Yep - do it all the time.
And submarines have screen doors. ;-) ..." OK, I'm not really following your reasoning, but that's OK |
Jun 28
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| >OK, I'm not really following your reasoning This is wrecked boats - what's reason got to do with anything? ~~ snap ~~ |
Short
Jun 28
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| Come on Tim....don't give me a hard time because I called him on: "Yep - do it all the time." To which I replied: "And submarines have screen doors." I do not know anyone who normally *makes* their ice cream. Tom explained
that he does. Case closed. Hope things are well with you. ;-) |
JimH
Jun 27
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| You should have taken the temp of the salt water and fresh water last
night during the experiment. I guess the salt allows the water to stay
colder in that cooler. |
Jun 27
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| Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the
canister. A pile of ice cubes will contain a lot of air pockets and
that air will never be as cold as the ice itself. By accelerating the
melt with salt, the pile of ice cubes more quickly becomes brine. As
your experiment illustrates, brine is denser than a pile of ice cubes
and that allows it to maintain temperature more effectively. The
melting of the cubes also releases the cold temperatures stored
throughout the shape, rather than merely the cold temperature stored
on the faces of the cube. I wonder why somebody doesn't make saltwater ice cubes? Freshwater
freezes at zero degrees centigrade, but depending on the amount of
salt
in the water saltwater can resist freezing down to about -20
centigrade.
While a salt water ice cube would really screw up a drink, ice used in
coolers and other applications where it is not imbibed or consumed
would be much colder if made from salt water than when made from
fresh. I guess that once made it would be more expensive to transport
and store saltwater ice cubes....the trucks and freezers would need to
be considerably colder to keep them frozen....so that's probably one
of many reasons. |
Jun 27
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| What, you don't have a brine icemaker on Xanadu? |
HK
Jun 27
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| Was the soda on top of the ice, or under, or what? |
JoeSpareBedroom
Jun 27
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| In. I'm doing another experiment right now with the heat of the day coming
up nicely. I'll see how this one works out. |
Short
Jun 27
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| Diet Coke sucks. Diet Pepsi rules!! |
Short
Jun 27
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| The temp of the water would be similar to the temp of the soda. You wanna go up to Webster Lake tomorrow morning and fish the
approaching cold front? Fishing should be spectacular. |
Short
Jun 27
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| Yep - do it all the time. |
Short
Jun 27
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| 4 hours, and the straight ice version only got the soda to 45 degrees?
Weird. Or, how much ice was involved, maybe compared to the size of a 6 pack
still with its plastic thing intact? |
JoeSpareBedroom
Jun 27
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| Both will kill you.
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Steve
Jun 27
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| Nuts with those idiots! Haven't they ever heard of "dry ice"? A friend of mine up north used to work in a meat processing plant, and
if he was wanting to have a party, cook out, whatever, he'd bring home
a chunk of dry ice. Fill the cooler half full of water, throw in the
beer/ soda, make usre it was all submerged well, then throw in the
ice, and let it boil. short moments later, you had very chilled goods. Co2 fire extinguishers work in a pinch. but you ahve to rince the cans
off well though.
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: |
Jun 27
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| Got news for you. Everyday you get a little closer. Think about it. :>) |
Short
Jun 27
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| I don't have access to dry ice, but on the Mythbusters show they did
that. Sorry to burst your bubble - regular ice was just as effective. >Co2 fire extinguishers work in a pinch. but you ahve to rince the cans
>off well though. At $40 per extinguisher to cool a six pack, the salt idea is much more
economical. And not as effective. |
Short
Jun 27
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