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Death of a boat business.....

Ran into a situation today that I am sure we will be witnessing more frequently.

I know a young couple who operate a very decent little sales and service shop in a middle sized city north of Seattle on Puget Sound. It's a family business that has supported them and their kids for the last several years, but when I ran into them today they mentioned they had decided to close up shop.

Interesting, and sad, is the reason why:

The local marina is expanding at their location. That should be good news, except for the fact that as part of the expansion a "public/ private partnership" is building a fancy new condominium complex. A huge new mooring basin has been dredged and developed, but guess what? Those slips aren't available long term to the general public (i.e. the taxpayers who funded the development of this public land), they are being given to the condo development company as a reward for developing the condo village at the site, and any time that a condo resident wants to purchase one of the slips (from the development company, of course), any tenant that is merely renting the slip will be subject to eviction.

How this concerns my friends and their boat shop: They are currently occupying a fairly old building that fronts a road running along the perimeter of the marina. They have a small office and retail area, and several service bays.

"Our lease is up pretty soon, and the Port is going to tear down this building," they said. "We've been offered the same square footage in one of the new commercial buildings that will be part of the condominium complex, but there's going to be a difference in rent. Right now, we pay about $25,000 per year to rent this space, but after they force us to move next year the rent would go up to $14,000 a month. That's a total of $168,000 per year in rent, or $143,000 more than we're paying now. We can't see any reason to keep the doors open with that sort of increase in overhead."

Obviously my friends did what anybody else would do in the same situation- took a careful look at how much they're able to put in their pockets each year with the current overhead, subtracted $143,000 from that number to reflect the future overhead, and looked at the amount left over and asked, "why bother"?

Congrats to the greedy arse port authorities and the high dollar condo developers. They have completely overlooked that fact that most of the infrastructure for boating consists of small and medium size family businesses. Those software millionaires living the fat life in the waterfront condo McMansions have a rude awakening in store......even if they buy the slips out from under the public and moor their gold plated boats, their very presence will have raised real estate values to the point where nobody will be able to remain in business to service or maintain them.

Coming before all that very long to the waterfront near you... Pretty sad.

Jul 20
I'd be more interested to know how many of those key decision makers either got deals on units, or options to buy at less than market prices. That or the decision makers, regardless of party affiliation are also real estate types profiting from the other side of the transaction. DownTime
Jul 22
>Same thing happened to two other marinas in Naples in the past 3 years.

And to a large full service ship yard in Ft Myers, recently replaced by high rise condos.

Wayne.B
Jul 22
Depends. Most of my neighbors are active boaters, some of us with two or three boats. Wayne.B
Jul 22
The marina at Wiggins Pass had the only full service marina with travel lift between Naples Bay and Fort Myers Beach.

It was a shame when that closed.

NOYB
Jul 23
Absolutely. As competition dwindles the yards that are left will be able to charge as much as they want and wait times for haul outs will get longer. Even now it's like trying to get an appointment with a Florida dermatologist. Wayne.B
Jul 23
When my father died, I had to decide whether I wanted to "inherit and run" his marina in Milford, CT, or sell it. I gave it a full minute's worth of thought, and then told our family lawyer, "sell it." My father died in the early Spring. We immediately notified the customers the marina would be closing the day after labor day. We had a buyer in early summer, and closed in October of that year. The next spring, the marina building was demolished, the dockage was sold off, and construction began on condos.

Never once regretted the decision to sell. Never went back to see how the project turned out.

Gave less than a minute's real thought to selling the boat store, which was in a separate location. Once the inventory was sold off, the store was put up for sale. The property sold, the store was razed, and there's a strip mall there now.

HK
Jul 23
I just wish that more people in your situation considered selling it to someone who wanted to buy the marina and keep it as a marina.

Usually these sales take place behind the scenes, and it'd be nice if the seller actually spent some time to find a buyer who chose to preserve the business that his parents built.

In the case of the marina at Wiggins Pass, a large developer (Eco-Group) out of Tampa bought the property before anybody else even knew it was for sale. The company that ran the marina operation also has a large marina on Marco Island, but they were leasing the land in Naples. They would have bought that property in a New York minute if it was offered to them, but it was never offered to them.

The county tried to buy the property to keep it running as a marina, but the buyer/developer said that it wasn't for sale "at any price".

NOYB
Jul 23
I was just pointing out that one poster's assumption in incorrect. Notice that poster hasn't rebutted that comment, thus it's a dead end on this thread.

All city governments are pushing for more revenue and they will get it anyway they can.

The question is how can they take maximum benefit from their situation. I'm pretty sure that high dollar boats mean high dollar repairs and it would seem that they are positioned to take advantage of that.

For example, the largest small boat repair center in CT that is an all around repair shop is located smack in the middle of CT as far from any water as you can possibly get.

Just a thought.

Short
Jul 21
Yup... the Rosborough boat company has been doing it's finishing work in one of our Industrial Parks, a couple miles from the ocean. http://www.rosboroughboats.com/about.html Don
Jul 21
Yes, they put in slips. And the slips sell for $400,000+.

But the ones at those two sites are for residents of the condos only.

NOYB
Jul 21
money makes the world go round. The Republican way of life. Fatten up the rich. Draw the line fatter between the rich & everyone else. Watch the peasants squirm. longshot
Jul 20
And exactly how many members of that city council are Republicans? I'll bet dollars to donuts that the majority of the city council, and the state legislative committee who over saw the development, if any, are Democrats.

Wanna take that bet?

Short
Jul 20
Look what happened in New London. Took all of Fort Trumbull neighborhood for condos and who is going to live in them.

Gotta love them Democrats.

Short
Jul 20
And I'll go one step further. Most of the people buying the slips and condos are most likely Democrats or support the Democrats. Short
Jul 20
wtf is wrong with people? longshot
Jul 20
You crazy 'mericans.... everything has to be political. Much simplier up here...all brands of politicians are greedy and if not corrupted when they enter politics, they spoil shortly afterward. Only answer is a labour/socialist type party. Don
Jul 20
Same here, only we don't seem to recognize that yet...

> Only answer is a labour/socialist type party.

Well, I wouldn't get that far carried away.... yet.

Jul 20
Also disapppointing is the fact that it took just one post to turn this from a land use isue that affects important boating infrastructure into a political peeing contest.

Hey, longshot- it ain't the "fault" of the Republican party. Hey, shortwave- it ain't the "fault" of the Democratic party.

Port Commissions are under a lot of pressure to produce the highest possible economic return to their communities. In doing so, some of them lose sight of thier basic mission- to operate a maritime port.

If the only consideration in every community is "what is the highest and best use of every single square inch of property and how do we move from here to there?" any industry that requires any amount of space to operate or must by nature compete with intensive condo development for "desirable" locations (i.e waterfront) is in the crosshairs.

We're going to wind up with two economic classes in this country, upper and lower. The lower class won't be able to afford to boat, and the upper classes will drive waterfront values to the point where prices for boats,motors, and service would be have to be much higher than at present to cover overhead. That's exactly the dilema my friends faced... there's no way to raise prices enough to offset a 700% rent increase. If they did raise prices that high, they would lose most of their existing trade.

Jul 20
Not that simple. Our useless Democratic Governor in North Carolina gave a sweeheart lease deal to some of his buds to make the public marina at Southport a rich man's folly. The local tax payers have taken it on the chin pretty much like Gould describes. http://www.ncgop.org/corruption/?pageid=cronies.html http://wilmington.johnlocke.org/blog/?p=668 http://wilmington.johnlocke.org/blog/?p=669 http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=3429

My family and I have spent a lot of fun times at that marina. However, under the new management, we no longer find anything of interest to us there. Especially the astronomical fees.

Gene
Jul 20
This is a very sad situation but a common one in the United States today.

Any small business that is making it today has to have something special going for it. Cheap rent or just the right location or old money.

I don't recommend anyone open or buy a small business in the US unless it is out of their home with no employees.

It is all big business now or it is no business.

Don't get emotional about it, just believe it and make adjustments. Times change.

Bill
Jul 20
This has been happening in Southwest Florida for the past 10 years...and in Southeast Florida for longer than that.

It just started happening in the Keys a couple of years ago, but fortunately the real estate market took a hit and slowed things down.

I had a boat stored at a marina that leased the land, and the landlord decided not to re-lease the property *at any price*. They sold it for $20 million to Eco-Group...a large developer out of Tampa.

Same thing happened to two other marinas in Naples in the past 3 years.

"Chuck Gould" <chuckgould.chuck@gmail.com> wrote in message

NOYB
Jul 20
--Vic Vic
Jul 20
Maybe the Japanese are buying it all up like Hawaii.... it's probably the Chinese this time around. hooray for NAFTA! longshot
Jul 20
I don't see why the Biz has to "die". There are several marine sales/service shops in Seattle and Kent who aren't located directly on the water or next to a marina. So they have to move...big deal. I have moved my Biz twice in the last 10 years due to skyrocketing rent and swinging wrecking balls. It's a risk when you rent, and, just part of business if you need to move. JR

JR
Jul 20
   

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