NOAA getting desperate?

Go ahead - I'll wait.

Ah - well that's because it's a SUB tropical Depression and thus just an ocean storm.

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season - now there is this one.

And yeah, yeah, I know - height of the season is coming, yada, yada, yada.

I'm just saying... :>)

Never mind.

Sorry you were offended. I apologize.

No, Chuck doesn't need a nanny. And since Tom's already apologized, no more need be said on the subject.

Tropical Cyclone: A warm-core non-frontal synoptic-scale cyclone, originating over tropical or subtropical waters, with organized deep convection and a closed surface wind circulation about a well-defined center. Once formed, a tropical cyclone is maintained by the extraction of heat energy from the ocean at high temperature and heat export at the low temperatures of the upper troposphere. In this they differ from extratropical cyclones, which derive their energy from horizontal temperature contrasts in the atmosphere (baroclinic effects

Tropical Depression: A tropical cyclone in which the maximum sustained surface wind speed (using the U.S. 1-minute average) is 33 kt (38 mph or 62 km/hr) or less.

The terms "hurricane" and "typhoon" are regionally specific names for a strong "tropical cyclone". A tropical cyclone is the generic term for a non-frontal synoptic scale low-pressure system over tropical or sub-tropical waters with organized convection (i.e. thunderstorm activity) and definite cyclonic surface wind circulation (Holland 1993).

Tropical cyclones with maximum sustained surface winds of less than 17 m/s (34 kt, 39 mph) are called "tropical depressions" (This is not to be confused with the condition mid-latitude people get during a long, cold and grey winter wishing they could be closer to the equator ;-)). Once the tropical cyclone reaches winds of at least 17 m/s (34 kt, 39 mph) they are typically called a "tropical storm" and assigned a name. If winds reach 33 m/s (64 kt, 74 mph)), then they are called:

"hurricane" (the North Atlantic Ocean, the Northeast Pacific Ocean east of the dateline, or the South Pacific Ocean east of 160E) "typhoon" (the Northwest Pacific Ocean west of the dateline) "severe tropical cyclone" (the Southwest Pacific Ocean west of 160E or Southeast Indian Ocean east of 90E) "severe cyclonic storm" (the North Indian Ocean) "tropical cyclone" (the Southwest Indian Ocean) (Neumann 1993).

3. Data

a. Atlantic Basin Tropical Cyclones

The positions and intensities (sustained wind speed and minimum surface pressure) of all Atlantic basin tropical cyclones of at least tropical storm strength have been archived and are continually being updated by the National Hurricane Center (NHC) in Miami, Florida. (The `Atlantic basin' is defined as the tropical and subtropical regions north of the equator in the Atlantic Ocean, the Caribbean Sea, and the Gulf of Mexico.) This data set extends from 1886 to 1990 and is described in detail by Jarvinen et al. (1984). This ``Best Track'' data set (as it is known since it is composed of the ``best'' estimate of positions and intensities in a post-analysis of all data available) or HURDAT (short for HURricane DATa) has been used quite extensively in our Tropical Meteorology Project at Colorado State University.

We have followed the recommendations by Neumann et al. (1987) to use tropical cyclone statistics based upon data since the mid-1940's, when organized aircraft reconnaissance began, since this ``probably best represents Atlantic tropical cyclone frequencies''. The same logic follows for the day to day assessment of the intensity of individual storms; again because in the earlier period ``storms that were detected could have been mis-classified as to intensity''.

from:

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/sahel/index.html

http://survive2012.com/

Relying on a definition that is a bizzllion years old doesn't make it right.

So Chuck, what's your next treatise?

Chuck.

TROPICAL?

Here's the accepted definitions:

Terms to Know Tropical Distrubance-An unorganized area of thunderstorms in the TROPICS that maintains itself for 24 hours. It is the first step in hurricane development.

Tropical Depression-A mass of thunderstorms with a weak cyclonic circulation in the TROPICS with winds less than 39 mph.

Last time I knew, 37.8N, 64.9W isn't tropical. And the storm formed two degrees south of 37.8.

The tropics are defined as:

The geographic region of the Earth centered on the equator and limited in latitude by the Tropic of Cancer in the northern hemisphere, at approximately 23°30' (23.5°) N latitude, and the Tropic of Capricorn in the southern hemisphere at 23°30' (23.5°) S latitude. This region is also referred to as the tropical zone.

By their criteria, the storm of November 10th, 1975 in Lake Superior should have been called a hurricane rather than a gale.

The proper terminology should be gale.

A gale is a very strong wind of at least 28 knots, 32 mph, or 51 km/h; and up to 55 knots, 63 mph, or 102 km/h.

It is divided into three or four categories:

A moderate gale or near gale is up to 33 kt., 38 mph, or 61 km/h, and a small craft advisory is issued. A fresh gale or just gale is 34~40 kt., 39~46 mph, or 62~74 km/h, and a gale warning is issued. A strong gale is 41~47 kt., 47~54 mph, or 75~88 km/h, and usually a gale warning is issued or maintained. A whole gale or storm is 48 kt., 55 mph, or 89 km/h or greater, and a storm warning is issued.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :>)

C'mon, Tom. That has no class at all.