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May be a good idea to review MOB procedures

In the local news today, a 54-year old man is missing and presumed drowned in Lake Washington. (I believe the incident occured in area of the Seafair log boom).

The missing man is described as a "boat owner who jumped into the lake to assist another swimmer experiencing difficulty."

Ironically, the swimmer who was initially having trouble was wearing a life jacket and was successfully recovered. The would-be rescuer jumped in without a life jacket and sank out of sight in 200-feet of water.

I've always understood that if there's somebody having trouble in the water, you have more options available for rescue if you remain aboard your boat. Second best is to get out to the victim in a dinghy. Jumping in has to be the very last resort, doesn't it? Maybe if the victim is going down or unable to assist in their own resuce....but you essentially wind up with two people in the water.

Monday morning quarterbacking- maybe a "throwable device" on a rope, maybe even just a line tossed to the MOB..but once the MOB has grabbed the device or the line it ought to be easier to haul him back onto the deck from aboard the boat.

Maybe if you *have* to go in after the victim, it would be smart to don a PFD, and perhaps grab a second one for the MOB? (in most cases, the MOB won't be wearing one- this specific situation was unusual).?

Who's had some actual training or hands-on experience in this field? Tom, maybe?

You have to admire the guy's courage for jumping in, but a different decision would oviously have been better. I guess the time to mentally rehearse for these situations is before they occur.

Aug 6
Good advice in a river, but not so in the ocean, specifically in rip tides. Many people that drwon from rip tides try to swim back to the beach, which is directly against the current. The best way out of a rip tide is swimming parallel to the beach :-) animal05
Aug 9
The technique I was taught is to throw something floatable with a line attached, usually a "life sling device". You then circle the person to bring the line and flotation close by, similar to bringing the tow rope to a water skiier. If the PIW is concious they grab the rope and pull themselves to the boat, otherwise someone wearing a PFD has to go in and assist them into the life sling for retrieval. Wayne.B
Aug 7
That's a good point. I fished a big stupid jet skier out of the Columbia river who fought me as I tried to get him in the boat. Maybe he thought I was going to abandon his sinking POS jet ski instead of towing it in. This was in the middle of the shipping channel well after sunset with no other small boats on the river. The moron wouldn't even take a warm blanket or a shot of hot coffee after I got him in the boat. -rick-
Aug 7
Last summer, a lifeguard at our town beach was the target of "attempted death" from a swimmer he was helping. The lifeguard apparently had a choice of death or success, and slugged the swimmer. Then, he hauled him onto the beach. The swimmer called the cops. The cops told the swimmer there were too many witnesses to his stupidity. The incident went away. JoeSpareBedroom
Aug 8
Sounds like a good time to practice 'catch and release'. John
Aug 8
Actaully, that is a realitively common occurrence when someone is drowning. Years ago, when I took life guard training, we had to practice varrious manuevers to elude someone if they attempted to attack the would be rescuer. animal05
Aug 8
A few years back when I lived closer to the sound we used to go out at night in very small boats. We used to tie a rescue whistle and a standard flare to each pfd. With us, if one was over board it probably meant all of us were so we had specific training for the kids. Specifically, they were not to look for me, the idea was, if I was unable to help myself, they probably coudld not do much for me either just because I am so much bigger. They were advised to make their way to shore/safety, and then initiate a rescue from there. Also taught them not to focus on one point on shore, just swim toward shore. Swimming to a point can get you in trouble especially if you are in moving water. Just my observations, being a self taught boater in the sound and on the river.
Aug 8
USCG MOB drills do not include anyone going into the water. One person on board the vessel points to the person in the water (PIW), continuously updated the coxswain on distance and bearing. Other c rew members toss PFD's, or anything that floats to the PIW. Once the boat is close enough to have crew pick up the PIW, he's retrieved. If the person is in distress, having the boat alongside the PIW is preferrable to having isolated crew members in the water. wf3h
Aug 7
In water assist is never an option unless the MOB is injured in some way that precludes the MOB from assisting in the rescue. In that case, going over the side without a PFD on the rescuer is inviting diaster.

Most boaters don't have the equipment to pull off a simple rescue, never mind one that is complicated. Something like a simple throw bag or life ring are absent on most small boats. Throwable cushions are fine, but I'll bet you any amount of money you would like to name that nobody here on this group practices throwing one. Or how to throw one. How many small boats have boat hooks? How many here actually know how to properly throw a cushion or throw bag? How many know how to properly approach a MOB for rescue - or the proper way to rescue an unconscious, or floating face down MOB?

On my Ranger there are three throwable floating devices, one throw bag, a spare PFD, boat hook and a full emergency breathing kit including collapsable ambu bag for CPR all available in seconds. Every time I take somebody out on my Ranger, they get a quick safety lecture - small things like how to start the engine, how to steer, where the rescue gear is located - things like that. Takes three minutes and it's simple enough to remember. How many people do that?

I should write a book. :>)

Short
Aug 7
Why haven't you?
Aug 7
Because when it comes to safety, it's always the other guy.

You learn from the experiences of others - unfortunately a lot of folks just don't pay attention when it happens and apply it to themselves.

Short
Aug 7
The Red Cross lifesaver motto is "Reach, Throw, Row (and as a last resort). Go. In open warer "Go" is the worst option and then you shound be trained and wearing a PFD. gfretwell
Aug 7
Doing some research on this subject to refresh/update my personal knowledge and possibly prepare a magazine article.

Came across one very excellent bit of advice.

It's commonly recommended to throw a life ring ASAP. Many sources remark that the ring will help maintain visual contact with the MOB. Maybe so, but a safety site for commercial fishermen comments that if you can't see the MOB bobbing around, you may also have a tough time spotting the life ring. That source advises additionally tossing an orange smoke flare (which might attract help from a nearby vessel) and if visibility is poor or the light is fading a light as well. I like the floating smoke flare idea, to the point where I will be adding a floating smoke flare to my inventory.

Aug 7
I think a lot depends on where you are, what the sea conditions are and if the MOB is injured (young, non-swimmer or whatever)

Tossing floating stuff to the MOB is never a bad idea tho. That is why you are required to have at least one "throwable". I keep several scattered around the boat so this can be an instant response. In cases where you can actually land one next to a conscious MOB it sure takes some the ugency out of getting turned around and recovering the victim. Even then time is an issue, particurlarly in cold water or rough seas where a few minutes can be the difference between life and death. Hopefully your MOB will have gone over wearing a PFD if it is that bad out.

Some day we may reach the time when EPIRBs will be cheap enough to where you can have one on every life jacket. The Movie "Castaway" would have been a 5 minute public service announcement if Tom had been able to recover the EPIRB from the safety pack on his life raft. Of course you could have shaved an hour off the movie if he had a 50 cent lighter in his pocket.

gfretwell
Aug 7
Don't forget: How to manage a MOB who's panicking, ready to grab anything (or anyone), and threatens to sink YOU if you're in the water. Lifeguards are trained to deal with this, although sometimes the victim's strong enough to still cause trouble. Then, lifeguards improvise. JoeSpareBedroom
Aug 7
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