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Giving up on Daiwa spincasters..

Well I wanted a spincaster on a short rod to work docks with. Have an old Zebco, and a few ancient Johnson reels that cast very well but drag was not the greatest on them.. I wanted something better, thought Daiwa was the way to go. Tried all these: Daiwa Silvercast 100 Daiwa Silvercast 80 Daiwa Procaster 100 Daiwa Procaster 80 Daiwa Undercast 80 Daiwa Goldcast 80GC All of these with the exception of the $50 80GC gave me troubles, but that was borrowed and I did not get to try it as long as I wanted.

On a long cast these reels would suddenly decide that it went far enough and the rotor pin pops out and stops the line either breaking off your lure or sending it back at you like a missle. Contacted Daiwa, no help there...They suggested new line...It WAS new line! I cant respool on every 5th cast. On some of these the line would get hung in the gap between the spool and rotor requireing some time to fix it. All reels were brand new with original line on them. The 80GC has an oscillating spool to keep the line from winding wrong and it gave me no trouble..but still has the same design as the others that did give me trouble(big gap between rotor and spool catching line).

Now I am leaning towards the new Zebco Omega all metal model with interchangable oscilating spool reel with 6 bearings in it.

robmurr
Jul 13
2004
Two suggestions. Look back at Zebco, and work on your technique. Not sure why you want a short rod for this. I do pretty well using pitching techniques around docks with a 7' spinning rod.

I really can't tell you about the Omega, but I own several cheap Zebco 33s.

I can even pitch a crank bait this way and drop it between the floats under a dock from 60 or 70 feet. Of course baits that bounce like a light spoon or a plastic tube may be better and get farther under the dock. I could use a little more practice, but pitching can be a really effective short to medium rang presentation. On flipping tackle I can often make a long range pitch and swing the rod from one side to the other to make a bait curve around an obstackle. That is really handy for making a bait cut under the corner of a dock.

I even found myself pitching a topwater the other day becasue the guy I was fishing with was keeping the boat a little close for me to cast comfortably. It worked great.

Bob
Jul 13
Thanks for the suggestions. A lot of my docks have roofs over them and some have roll down doors so I have to get low and sling the bait back as far as I can. That why I like the shorter rod. robmurr
Jul 13
Try pitching. The bait sails along very close to the water when done properly Bob
Jul 13
Ok, when I get a decent reel again I will give pitching a try. Just put one of my old Johnson Crappie pro reels on my rod and wow does that thing ever cast far and smooth after a little bit of TLC.. but it really has no usable drag system on it.... robmurr
Jul 13
I vote for the zebco33 too.

I had a 33 for over 10 years casted great then the gears stripped. I tried the $50 Goldcast80 and Omega. Didnt like either. Why?- use of #8 Stren SuperBraid, well lack of use, the line wouldnt work in them. I tried the GC80 for 3 days trying to get it to not bind up on the spool rewind after rewind after rewind. I switched to Trilene XL #8 still didnt seem to well. Not as good as the 33 it replaced. Returned it bought the Omega well I had about the same results with the SuperBraid /Omega as the GC80. I reutrned that one too. I bought the $15 Zebco33 spooled it up with the SupeBraid and it casts great. Im set for another 10+ years as far as my spincaster reel goes. Now the Zebo33 I believe has a new design that resembles Omega so cant comment on the "new" one but you can still get the "Classic" 33.

QUAKEnSHAKE
Jul 13
ROBMURR entered the world pub known as rec.outdoors.fishing.bass and said... JIm
Jul 13
Hey Rob,

Why are you trying to fish bass lures on bluegill & crappie reels? The only decent reel you have listed so far is the Daiwa Procaster 80, which is a really light duty reel. You are going to have to use serious reels with serious gears & guts if you want to do any serious bass fishing, and the cheap toys you are using so far don't have near the innards needed to do the job.

Try these spincast reels, which are actually made for bass and larger fish: ~ Daiwa Procaster 120 (beautifully built). ~ Abu-Garcia #1076 (my personal favorite for bass). ~ Zebco 808, 888 or Z03 (workhorses!).

Good luck!

Bob
Jul 13
I know some have given them 'bad press', but the little Quantum ICON 20, is, in my opinion a great little inexpensive spin caster. I have rigged them with 5# mono, and horsed in some nice bass with them. I have other more expensive spinning reels, but I keep the Quantum rig with a 6' 6" HSX 40 quantum rod in my truck at all times for when I just want to pull over and hit a good looking spot along the lake. I may change my mind someday if it ever fails me...but so far no complaints at all :). JK jbkbub
Jul 13
I have much more serious spinning gear for larger fish, dont worry. This is for use around docks, overhanging trees, etc where I need control. Mostly for panfish but bass are welcome too. Also for use by less experience folks who might want to wet a hook. Just looked at the broken drag on my Johnson crappie pro and a metal piece was bent wrong, bent it back and it works great now. robmurr
Jul 14
I hate to say it, but the only thing that works with less experienced anglers is patience, education, and practice. I personally think a spinning reel gives me better control in those circumstances, but there are many here that feel a baitcaster give more control than anything. I doubt I would consider a spincast reel for control. It is probably the easiest to learn to use for open water casting, but for tight quarters it would not be my first choice.

All of that being said, I have fished a couple times with Dave Greaves who fishes spincasters for almost everything. He is an excellent angler and has finished well in all of the local club and semi /pro tournaments he has fished. I have seen him throw heavy buzz baits with no problem. He flips heavy cover with 20lb Steren big game on a spincaster as well. Its pretty amazing.

There are guys who are amazed at how well I can toss a bait underneath heavy overhangs with a side armed cast on a spinning rod. If I try to pitch I can do that too, but since I learned to pitch with a baitcaster I seem to do that better with a 7'+ flippin stick. Weird huh?

Bob
Jul 14
I pitch with a spinning rig, and could care less about conforming to style or anything else. Bob
Jul 14
   

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