Why I hate beaked hooks
Because too often, they grab the tiniest bite before the beak leads the
point back out of the skin/meat whatever, and you end up with a very
precariously hooked fish.Of course this photo could also be used to illustrate why I NEVER use
multiple hooksets. No way you know if the first set it something like this,
in which case the 2nd set is 99% sure to just rip it free. http://www.richz.com/fishing/images/no_beaks_for_me.jpg RichZ©
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RichZ
Jul 14
2004
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| 1) What is a "beaked" hook? 2) I can think of a whole bunch of timers I wish I'd set the hook a second
time but didn't. Warren
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go-bassn
Jul 14
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| Where the tip points slightly back toward the shank. |
RichZ
Jul 14
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| I definitely agree about multiple hook sets. I just use the sharpest hooks
I possibly can and that gives me the confidence that when I stick them, I
got them. There are incidents where I lose fish, we all do, but there are
so many variables that it could be and I do pay attention to the reason I
lost the fish, but I quickly move on and if it was something I did I do my
best to change it. Just my 2 cents. |
Chris
Jul 14
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| Looks like the fish I caught yesterday, using that same dam hook |
alwaysfishking
Jul 14
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| >I possibly can and that gives me the confidence that when I stick them, I
>got them. I can only think of three or four time that I "double-set" the hook.
Each time resulted in a lost fish. As you, Chris, I just trust in a good hook...Gamakatsu, and replace
'em when they're worn out or bent for any reason. ----
"Kerry's policies would run the country deeper
and deeper into deficit." - John Edwards |
Eric
Jul 14
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| Yea but what about the times when you instantly say (before loosing the
fish) to yourself "damn, I don't think I got all of that one..." Warren |
go-bassn
Jul 14
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| Warren, You got me going on this area a bit with your help when I was trying to
refine my Wacky Wormin'. I am learning a bit about it now as I refine my
crank bait techniques. I have to say after barely getting a couple fish in the boat that were
hooked through light tissue or only skin hooked I doubt you could convince
me to go for a double hookset. Yes I did try a second hookset on a bass the
other day, after I had two or three come off on me. It didn't seem to make
any difference. My thought is to go with as wide a gap hook as you feel the
bait can support, and stay with ultra sharp (brand name not withstanding)
high quality hooks. It was after that I had the accidental revelation that
I was using the wrong rod for the job. I still have some issue to resolve for some baits, but I'm working on it. For any bait that uses a small light hook I would have to say that an ultra
sharp hook on a lighter slower rod would be the way to go. I am going to
dig a couple medium / medium or medium slow rods out of the stuff I had put
away for drop shots, crank baits, and topwater. All of my crank baits have
top quality hooks as do my topwaters. I'll have to rely on the penetration
of a sharp point, but I can't see myself going for a second hookset again. IMHO, its about finding the exact best hook for a particular application,
and using the best rod for the job. Hook set is extremely important for
heavy plastics, but I just don't see myself going for a second hookset. The
only time I could see going for a second hookset is if I never got a first
hook set. Those moments when a fish hits, and you set on it only to feel
slack line as the fish dives towards you. I defer to your expertise most times, as I have learned quite a lot from
your posts when you choose to be helpful, but the second hookset just
dosen't cut it for me. Certainly not with smaller hooks like that. |
Bob
Jul 14
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| Bob, I'm not encouraging anyone to use a second set - don't misunderstand
me. I rarely (if ever) do it myself. I was simply stating that there have
been times when, for whatever reason, my initial hookset was not exactly
solid & the result has been a lost bass & a missed opportunity. In the
tournament game we play opportunities simply can't be missed. So I was
saying that there were times when I wished I had applied a second hookset,
not that I make a habit of it... Warren |
go-bassn
Jul 14
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| Hey Rich
That is as thin of a hook position as I have seen. You must be living
right to get that bass to the boat. I generally read your posts with great
interest and have learned a bunch. We differ on circle hooks.
Beaked hooks work great.....I use gammy size 1 and get great results with a
sweep hookset and firm pressure for abut 10 secs to be sure I have a solid
set. The biggest reason I lose bass( I think) is when they tail grab a
nose hooked bait. I also use 15 lb test floro as a leader for my 14 lb test
fireline. One point we agree on is that the smaller circle hooks can hook a skinny
piece of the basses mouth. That has caused me to move to larger sizes. I am guessing that the pic was a drop shot bass. I have very little
experience with drop shotting. Do you always use such a small hook? Steve |
steve
Jul 14
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| One reason you lose so many fish is that hook is considered a circle hook.
Circle hooks are not meant to be set. The hook is designed so the fish
hooks its self. This is a common hook used in drop shot or jig fishing for
red snapper offshore except for the hook is larger size. The hook works
better when snelled then by just tying it on. Sarge |
Sarge
Jul 14
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| Sarge, can you please elaborate on this statement? Why would this be? Also, the hook in Rich's photo looks nothing likea circle hook to me, why do
you call it one? Thanks, Warren |
go-bassn
Jul 14
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| >> Each time resulted in a lost fish. |
Eric
Jul 14
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| >right to get that bass to the boat. I've had a few like that. Last year, we were fishing "busters" in
November at San Vicente. It was a "cookie-cutter" day, as everything
we caught was between 4-1/4 and 4-3/4 pounds. After netting one
fish caught on a small swim bait, I lipped her and the hook fell
right out of her mouth. I'm guessing that the only thing that got her into the boat was
constant line tension. ----
"Kerry's policies would run the country deeper
and deeper into deficit." - John Edwards |
Eric
Jul 14
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| You're kidding, right? I'd call that more of dream day lol Spoiled Cali bassers... Warren |
go-bassn
Jul 14
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| this be? Also, the hook in Rich's photo looks nothing like a circle hook to
me, why do you call it one?" Warren, I did not see the original post so I went back and retrieved it. I
looked at the hook and it is considered by industry as a standard "J" hook
design. This type of hook is designed to be set by the angler when he
receives a strike. I only mentioned circle hook because it was in the first
post I read. Now to a circle hook by design is made for the fish to hook
its self. It was engineered for that purpose. It works a lot better when
it tied on by snelling the hook. This holds the hook straight in line with
the line. I dish a lot of offshore and when a fish takes off with the bait,
it hooks it self. Personally the hook looks a little small compared to the fish. A larger
hook would possibly help with better hook set. Too small of a hook hinders
more then it helps. Looking at the picture I am surprise he landed the
fish. I fish very little freshwater and do use "J" hooks only when I buy unpainted
lead jigs. If I fish live bait I use Eagle Claw Lazer hooks. All my hooks
are tied on using a palmor knot either directly to the braid line or a 15 LB
test mono leader. The only time I use circle hooks when jigging or drop
fishing offshore. When I do fish freshwater, I use either a offset hook for worm fishing, a
standard worm hook, spinnerbaits or crankbaits. Sarge |
Sarge
Jul 14
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| Actually, from a purely mechanical standpoint, wider gap hooks are harder to
set and easier to back out than standard gap hooks. RichZ©
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RichZ
Jul 14
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| Right on the DS, and when using light drop shot gear and small lures, I
usually use a hook slightly smaller (and a lot thinner wire) than that
hook. Only reason I used those was I got 'em to test and I was out of my
prefered drop shot hook. There's really no need for a bigger hook when drop
shotting in reasonably open water with light line. But when I go 'Bubba shot' fishing, in the weeds or in the barges at the
hudson, I use a 3/0 Texposer. (Check out the article in the Aug. In-Fish) RichZ©
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RichZ
Jul 14
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| ??? Who said anything about losing 'so many fish'? > that hook is considered a circle hook.
>
THAT hook is absolutely NOT a circle hook. It's not even close to a hybrid
circle hook, much less a true circle hook. RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing |
RichZ
Jul 14
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| my question is what bait was on that small hook and why in the picture is the
bait missing, sorry that was two questions, i find it also hard to believe that
the fish was landed with that hookset. |
lurebuilder
Jul 15
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| It was. Each time we weighed one, my son and I couldn't believe
it fell into that slot. I can't wait for November. >Spoiled Cali bassers... Right. Visit some time. I'll show you pressured lakes. ----
"Kerry's policies would run the country deeper
and deeper into deficit." - John Edwards |
Eric
Jul 14
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| You find RichZ hard to believe? That's almost funny... Warren
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http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions |
go-bassn
Jul 14
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| Look at his line. Rich is probably using 4lb or 6lb test. The small hook is
a tell on this as well. You don't do an eye popping set with that size line.
I landed a 42" muskie on Crow Lake a few years ago that was hooked not much
better. Of course I was using 8lb test on a medium baitcaster fishing for
Lakers on the reefs. Heavier tackle and I am sure I would have horsed the
hook out. Joe Z. "Lure builder" <lurebuilder@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040714214645.12159.00001666@mb-m01.aol.com...
my question is what bait was on that small hook and why in the picture is
the
bait missing, sorry that was two questions, i find it also hard to believe
that
the fish was landed with that hookset. |
Joe
Jul 14
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| Drop shot fishing, nose hooked plastics are often lost when the fish jumps.
Sometimes you catch 8 or 9 fish without losing the plastic. And sometimes you
lose it on the first fish. But almost all of them float right up and are
re-usable if you are of a mind to retrieve them. Just bite off the torn nose of
the bait and re-rig it. Don't recall which of the various small plastics that fish was caught on. I use
them kind of interchangeably when drop shotting. RichZ©
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RichZ
Jul 14
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| The hook looks small to me, too. I'd think it would increase the risk of
deep hookups Scott |
Scott
Jul 15
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| WHY? |
Bob
Jul 15
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| richz did not say it was his fish, when a fish is hooked and on retrieve the
hook can move about within the fish's mouth, so i wasn't doubting richz, but i
have no trouble doubting you..lol |
lurebuilder
Jul 15
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