Swallowed Hooks
What is the recommended thing to do when the bass swallows the hook. I've
heard many different things and really don't know what to do. I want that 3
pounder I caught to live and become a 6 pounder...Thanks! |
Sideshow
Jul 21
2004
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| Cut the line, do not try to remove the hook if it is out of reach (past
the throat) The best thing to do in the future is try to reduce this, start setting
the hook faster, don't let them run with the bait, or use a circle hook,
or start drop shotting more
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Rodney
Jul 21
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| I've been hearing that the hook WON'T rust or rot away if I do this and the
fish will starve to death. |
Sideshow
Jul 21
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| < What is the recommended thing to do when the bass swallows the hook. I've
heard many different things and really don't know what to do. I want that 3
pounder I caught to live and become a 6 pounder... > I was always from the school of thought that you push the hook in as far as
you can, if possible, as the fish will ultiamtely digest the hook.
Thankfully, I haven't had many deeply hooked fish. Christopher |
Christopher
Jul 21
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| Do not rip the hook out or try to remove if it beyond the reach of forceps,
pliers or a disgorger. If the gill is damaged and bleeding, the fish will
die anyway. Cut the line as close to the hook as possible without causing more
injury,and release the fish. The hook will rust away in a few weeks. This is why I use snelled hooks and snap swivels so much. Budd |
Budd
Jul 21
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| Ohio DNR also recommends cutting the line from the hook as close as
possible. The fish will spit the hook eventually. Alan D. |
Alan
Jul 21
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| There's been a lot of controversy over what to do with gut hooked fish. The
one article that I've read that makes the most sense can be found at the
following link: http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=73&mode=&order=0&thold=0
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Steve
Jul 21
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| WEll I guess there is no real good solution except to stop gut hooking
fish, which I have stopped doing . I don't fish soft plastics except when they are rigged with the hook in
the middle of the line, keeping the hook strung between the weight and
rod keeps the fish from swallowing it,, the line stops it from going
past the hook's eye into the fish On using live/natural baits I do the same, (see below) or use a circle hook I have documented over 1,000 fish caught over the last 18 months from
blue gills to blue fish (18 different species in both salt and fresh
water) using the Stand Out Hooks, and have hooked every fish in the top
lip that were caught vertical fishing or while using a float and natural
baits in the majority of cases. I had not one single failure even when
the rod/s was left unattended. On bottom fishing with the weight behind
the hook (tight lined) casting out at extreme angle I did have 7 corner
of the mouth hook ups on catfish, still no gut hooks, as the weight
still keeps that hook from getting swallowed. I am sure that other hooks tied this way will not allow gut hooking
either, but you will/might miss some fish :-)
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Rodney
Jul 21
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| Leave about 18" of line hanging out of the fish's mouth. This will help
prevent the hook from blocking the throat so it can feed. I read a study
that basically stated that the fish has a poor chance of survival,
especially if there is any blood present. The hook does not rust quickly, if
at all. |
Richard
Jul 21
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| http://www.dbarb.com/ |
Jerry
Jul 21
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| That doesn't make any sense. Why not ten feet? I don't get the logic. Dan |
Dan
Jul 21
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| The line hanging out of the fishes mouth drags in the water. The drag helps
to prevent the hook from moving sideways in the throat, further blocking the
throat. I didn't make this up, I read it in a very lengthy and scientific study.
I'll post the study if I can find it. |
Richard
Jul 21
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| Got the article. Follow this link, it is a very convincing article. http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/articles/T31.htm |
Richard
Jul 21
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| Read the article in the link I posted. It says that if you cut the line at
the hook, the hook can pivot and close off the fish's throat, effectively
blocking it from eating and dooming it to a slow death by starvation. Leaving a long tag end to the line helps keep the hook clear of the throat
and allows the fish to eat without obstruction. Too much line and you risk
the fish getting the line tangled and the fish becoming tethered, also
effectively killing it. |
Steve
Jul 21
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| What is wrong with taking it home and eating it. That 3 pounder just might
eat a 3 ouncer that is destined to grow up to be a 33 pounder. One never
knows.
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IBNFSHN
Jul 21
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| Steve -- I happen to know Ralph Manns. When I met him in the early 1990s, he
was a graduate student in freshwater biology specializing in black bass at
Southwest Texas State University -- which at that time had one of the best
warm water freshwater fisheries programs in the nation. I haven't seen Ralph
in more than 10 years, but when I knew him he was about as knowledgeable about
black bass biology as any person I ever met. He had done all sorts of research
and his findings frequently flew in the face of conventional wisdon. He told
me back then to mash the barb down on my hooks and I'd be able to release most
fish unharmed -- small price to pay for the few fish I might miss. I've been
practicing barbless bassing ever since. Family, Friends, Fishing,
Rob Storm
http://stormsrestaurants.com |
rstorm453
Jul 22
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| Ralph gave me permission to use the same article. That's what convinced me
to concentrate harder to prevent deep hooking in the first place, and to
when I must, leave a long tag end to the cut off line. |
Steve
Jul 21
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| Great question! Has anyone got any links to any scientific studies that
were made which showed mortality rate outcomes from various hook removal
choices? Thanks.
John |
John
Jul 21
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| /lurk off Have you even bothered to read this whole thread? http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/articles/T31.htm /lurk on |
BradS
Jul 22
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| <snip>> What is wrong with taking it home and eating it. Eat a fish? You sick sick man, and I thought I needed therapy. Just Kidding
: -)...and I do need therapy..years and years of it. :-) |
alwaysfishking
Jul 22
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| Hey folks. Do you realize that the fact that we are finding no consensus
solution here is because there is no real solution to the damage caused by
the use of hooks. Perhaps what we need to do is to get rid of hooks
altogether? Perhaps we need to start thinking outside the box here? Heck...
maybe we need to burn the darned box all together. What if we were to replace hooks with pieces of Velcro, and instead of being
hooked, the fish just get their teeth tangled up in this harmless material.
And if that doesn't work, perhaps a small squeeze bottle of crazy glue could
get them stuck to the lure, where a solvent could later be used to release
them unharmed. Just think: you would never have to waste valuable time
sharpening your Velcro or your glue! Maybe we at SWL should incorporate these ideas on our spinnerbaits right
now. Wow! Maybe then we could even get PETA to endorse us! Hic... anybody
want a swig from my jug? ;-)
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Bob
Jul 22
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| @newssvr22.news.prodigy.com: |
Scott
Jul 22
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| I'm all for catch and release but if I hook one deep enough that I can't get the hook out I cut the line and retreve the hook when
I'm cleaning him for the grill. Problem solved. Doc
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"Bob Rickard" <r.r.rickard@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:FGRLc.4769$ZN4.4233@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com...
Hey folks. Do you realize that the fact that we are finding no consensus
solution here is because there is no real solution to the damage caused by
the use of hooks. Perhaps what we need to do is to get rid of hooks
altogether? Perhaps we need to start thinking outside the box here? Heck...
maybe we need to burn the darned box all together. What if we were to replace hooks with pieces of Velcro, and instead of being
hooked, the fish just get their teeth tangled up in this harmless material.
And if that doesn't work, perhaps a small squeeze bottle of crazy glue could
get them stuck to the lure, where a solvent could later be used to release
them unharmed. Just think: you would never have to waste valuable time
sharpening your Velcro or your glue! Maybe we at SWL should incorporate these ideas on our spinnerbaits right
now. Wow! Maybe then we could even get PETA to endorse us! Hic... anybody
want a swig from my jug? ;-)
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Doc
Jul 22
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| Bob -- if memory serves, someone actually did add velcro to bass plugs a few
years ago. Maybe RichZ can remember who the manufacturer was. As I recall the
idea was that the velcro was to work as a sort of "hookerhelper" just to give
you a little edge in landing a fish. Don't know how it worked as I never tried
one. Course, the same principle works well for gar when you throw a piece of frayed
rope as a lure and the gar gets his incisors all tangled up. Family, Friends, Fishing,
Rob Storm
http://stormsrestaurants.com |
rstorm453
Jul 22
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| Brad read the above and opined: |
John
Jul 22
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| Cordell had the plugs with the Velcro strips/dots on them. It was supposed
to get stuck long enough for you to set the hooks. Also, I'm pretty sure it
was Lindy that had fuzz covered jig heads that were supposed to get stuck
to the bass' teeth. I thought of the rope for gar too. We actually fish braided nylon "Soft
jerk baits" for gar every now and then up at Champlain. RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing |
RichZ
Jul 22
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| Darn, Rich... you & Rob have me looking for that box again.
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Bob
Jul 23
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