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Catch & Release
Did you happen to watch Dubya on the Roland Martin show ?Seems our Chief Executive catches bass and then lets his
dog chew them to death instead of releasing them. If you didn't catch it the first time, it will air again
on the Outdoor Life Network. Go here and follow the links
for air times, the episode is called "The Executive Pond." http://www.fishingwithrolandmartin.com/
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Ken
Aug 9 2004
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| Seems you're a couple days late on the airtime Ken, it ran 2x on the 6th.
So, tell us about it... Warren --
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions |
go-bassn
Aug 9
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| ....and eats them? If the dog eats them, I feel sorry for the dog. I can see
this creating potential health threats. On the other hand, as long as the
fish gets eaten when not thrown back I don't see a problem with not
releasing the fish. If a person eats it for food or it's a dog that eats it, it's still being
eaten. Being eaten, for the most part, has always been an acceptable reason
for not releasing fish. In _many_ cases, releasing all caught fish actually
does more harm then good. |
Todd
Aug 9
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| So what, looks like a smart thing to so It's his pond, it's over stocked with bass, and everyone knows you take
out the little bass caught on a small pond,, I know many pond owners
that just throw them up on the bank, and tell you to do the same thing
when you fish their ponds . The state fish biologist tell them to do this. You can't C&R every bass in a pound,, you will have nothing but dinks in it
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Rodney
Aug 9
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| Problem was, it was a dink. An undersized bass. Is our President above the
law?
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Craig
Aug 10
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| The problem is You don't understand fish & game laws If I owned a pond,, I can catch and cook/throw away, 200 bass out of
that pond in a single day, and have broken no laws. I could even drain
that pond killing every fish in it, and have broken no laws. Farm ponds and lakes are not under limit laws of the states Limit laws are for the maintaining of species in "public" waters WHat part of " This lake is on my ranch" "I Built this lake 4 years ago " "I stocked this lake" "the fish biologist that checks this lake twice a year tells us to
remove all undersize bass" Did you not understand |
Rodney
Aug 9
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| In Michigan, my pond or my lake means I own the hole, but once water enters
that hole, the state of Michigan has regulation over the water and the
wildlife that is in it or on it. I can maintain it (meaning I can stock it
how I please), but if the state HAS any knowledge of that pond, limit laws
can be enforced and it can never be drained without DEQ's permission - under
the laws that govern wetlands.
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Craig
Aug 10
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| I believe the same thing applies to farmlands and hunting. So if I own 500
acres... can I legally harvest deer from there 365 days a year? Nope! |
Charles
Aug 9
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| Here you do not need a fishing license and the season is open all year long on
such a pond. Even so i think there is a guiding principle for most anglers that
you don't let a fish go to spoil. That is exactly what happened when they threw
the fish to a dog (as you say) and made it part of the TV show. |
lurebuilder
Aug 10
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| That means your state is CRAZY, and you will never have any decent size
fish in a small pond,, not for long anyway,, I would love to read that
law,, surely it's posted some where on the internet ? Let me tell you that is not the case everywhere,, and it's sure not down
south, our state has a little bit of brains when it comes to fish and
game management
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Rodney
Aug 9
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| I don't think you're going to find anyone here that's going to advocate you
"throwing away" a bass regardless of the circumstances. Warren
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http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions |
go-bassn
Aug 9
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| decent size
fish in a small pond,, not for long anyway,, I would love to read that
law,, surely it's posted some where on the internet ? " Reponses: Probably is, but don't look for me to go find it. Rodney wrote: "Let me tell you that is not the case everywhere,, and it's
sure not down south, our state has a little bit of brains when it comes to
fish and game management" Response: If George has anything to do with it, you're right, a little brain
is involved - very little. The man is an idiot, who has stiffed way Too
much coke!!! |
Craig
Aug 10
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| Lots of places do not have size limits. In California, some lakes have a
slot limit, and others a minimum size and others have no size limit.
Bill |
Calif
Aug 10
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| AHA!!! The truth rears it's ugly head. You simply dislike Bush so therefore
everything he does is subject to your disapproval. You have to remember the worst thing about U.S. politics is the politicians
.... all of them. Budd |
Budd
Aug 10
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| Actually Charles, you can! If you have that 500 acres totally surrounded by
fence, there were no deer there to begin with, and you paid for the deer
that are now in there, you can hunt deer 365 days a year. High fence operations do that all the time. AND, you don't need to have a
hunter's safety certificate, a hunting licence and you can use any weapon
that your little ol' heart desires. |
Steve
Aug 10
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| Only if it is high fenced off so no wild deer can come onto the land,
and all deer there, you legally put on your land (imported), there are
no native deer there. (native wild deer are property of the state, as
they were not yours to start with, neither are their young, even if you
fence them in) When a person builds a pound there is nothing there, everything must be
purchased and stocked by the land owner,, these are no longer wild
stock, the land owner owns the pound the water and everything in it,,
this is true for Texas, and for Alabama, it might not be true for
communist states (where the state claims ownership of anything they want to) WHy argue with me about this ,, just look it up
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Rodney
Aug 10
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| That's one reason you have so few large bass in small compounds, we have
a state park here, that has a sign on it's three lakes to take every
bass out you catch, up to the 10 fish limit, that C&R has damaged the
fishing in these three lakes I have a photo of that sign I can post to the other news group These lakes are small, the biggest being 100 acres. Game management requires just that, managing, and adjusting the slots
and limits to each body of water for the correct balance of sized fish WHat's good on a 100,000 acre lake that has 1,000 fisherman fishing it a
day, is not good for a 10 acre farm pond with two fishermen fishing it
once a mouth. Some here complain about all the little bass they catch, take out some
of those little bass and the others have food enough to become huge bass. When I have caught 40 + bass in a day, and none over 2 lbs, then that
water is over stocked, it needs to be thinned out to grow some big ones,
I have had many 40+ days on small private lakes and ponds, and all of
them dinks, sure they are fun to catch, but I would have rather caught
10, 4 to 6 lb'ers, than 60, 1 lb'ers. I think some of you guys like a lot of "Hungry" fish :-) I like my bass well fed In most of our private lakes now we take out everything under 2 lbs,
return the rest to keep growing, you won't/can't catch all the dinks, so
there will always be bass coming up to size, especially with all those
huge bass spawning every year |
Rodney
Aug 10
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| < WHy argue with me about this ,, just look it up > You can prove anythign that's even remotely true with facts. *rolling eyes* Christopher - The answer to all of life's problems can be found in The
Simpsons. :) |
Christopher
Aug 10
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| C&R has nothing to do with root of the problem, though it doesn't help
improve it. The lakes you speak of are out of balance as a result of a weak
link or links in their ecostystems. It also has nothing to do with the size
of the lakes either, as vast water bodies can be subject to imbalances as
well (although not as likely). Small lakes & ponds can & do have totally
healthy, balanced predator/prey populations for decades. In your lakes bass are most likely the top predator. If they become stunted
& overpopulated it's a result of a weakness far below them in the food chain
that results in a significant lack of forage. This can be caused by lots of
things, from lack of nursery cover to overstocking of predatory species.
Basically everyone in there needs to eat when they're hungry. Ceasing C&R practices is nothing more than a temporary fix, it does nothing
to solve the problem. And throwing away perfectly good bass is a rediculous
waste of a resource. Warren |
go-bassn
Aug 10
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| I'm embarrased to admit it, but you've said something here that makes, well,
sense. ROTFLMAO, never thought I'd say that! Warren |
go-bassn
Aug 10
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| Wow - glad I don't own property there - uh, you can own property? Or do you
just occupy it for the state?
Ronnie
fishing.guide@about.com
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rgarri7470
Aug 10
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| Game animals and birds are different. They can move from one property to
another. Fish in my pond ain't likely to show up a mile away in public water.
Maybe if the is a big flood, but not normally.
Ronnie
fishing.guide@about.com
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rgarri7470
Aug 10
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| Sorry, Warren, but I agree completely. I had a state fisheries biologists tell
me two weeks ago that I should remove small bass from my pond, even if I just
discard them. Removing them is the only way to keep teh pond in balance. I have
not been doing that and had a bad fish kill in one pond because it is
overpopulated. What I do with fish in my pond does not affect anyone but me.
Ronnie
fishing.guide@about.com
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rgarri7470
Aug 10
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| That's not exactly true. Look at what pheasant farms do for dog training.
You can hunt pheasant on those farms all year long. Deer can be hunted the
same way with a fence if you bought and paid for the deer assuming no deer
were in place to begin with. It is possible that these laws very from state
to state. I am pretty certain that in Ohio, if the pond does not drain into
public waters, you can do whatever you want. Jeff |
Jeff
Aug 10
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| So, if John Kerry did this, it would not have been a problem? Oh wait --
that is the guy that thought cutting holes in the ice was cheating. No
actually, that was Bill Clinton. Kerry was too dumb to figure it out. :-) Jeff |
Jeff
Aug 10
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| Ponds are balanced to "provide" some removal of fish, the "perfect"
balance without removing those fish from small compounds can not be had,
there is no pond that is "perfect" and grow trophy fish, without the
removal of bass WHy don't you spend a little time with your wildlife department's
biologist, like i have for 30 years, they do accept volunteer workers to
help them out, at least my state does. At least do a little research in pond management Knowing how to catch fish does not make you an expert on the
conservation of fish. You must be a democrat They all think the "world" can be made perfect :-)
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Rodney
Aug 10
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| He won't believe you Ronnie, well, at least he won't admit I was right,
some how he thinks I'm a threat to him, If I know something he does not. If I tell the group the sky is blue,, he will say it's gray. He does not
understand how bad this makes him look |
Rodney
Aug 10
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| That is an interesting comment. Most Republicans I know are Christians.
Many Democrats I know are not. I am not saying that a Democrat cannot be a
Christian. A Christian knows that this world will not be made perfect by
our actions. It will get better upon the return of you know who. Then it
will be destroyed and remade. I am not trying to stereotype anyone, but perhaps that is the fundamental
difference between the two parties. Also, liberals tend to see things as
complex issues -- three sides to a two sided coin. Conservatives view
things more as black & white or right & wrong. Let's get back to fishing!!! Jeff |
Jeff
Aug 10
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| Removing dinks is one thing, I don't know anything about Texas
fish & geame laws, but that's not really the point. An ethical
sportsman does not toss a live bass onto the deck of his boat
and let his dog gnaw on it for fun while it dies a slow death. Kill the bass, eat the bass, cull the bass, whatever, but have
a little respect in the process. I would, and I suspect most
here would too.
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Ken
Aug 10
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| No,John Kerry is the one that made the following statement about deer hunting
being his favorite type hunting: "I go out with my trusty 12-gauge
double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach. I track and move and decoy and play
games and
try to outsmart them. You know, you kind of play the wind.That's hunting."
Ronnie
fishing.guide@about.com
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rgarri7470
Aug 11
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| Would you say the same thing about bluegill? How about carp or gar?
Ronnie
fishing.guide@about.com
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rgarri7470
Aug 11
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| Response: If George has anything to do with it, you're right,,,,,,, Craig you just earned my second killfile. I hoped I got away from name calling
when I quit teaching middle school kids.
Ronnie
fishing.guide@about.com
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rgarri7470
Aug 11
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| So you don't know this as a fact,, it's just something you heard some
where ? I don't have a problem with people telling me what they "think" is true,
as long as they qualify the statement stating they, think, or have
heard, or believe. Nothing wrong with stating your beliefs, maybe
someone else can correct you if they are wrong, or certify them if you
are right Or If you do know it is fact, you want others to prove, or disprove it as
fact ? you will offer no proof beyond you just stating it, and expect
everyone else to just believe you, or at least not to question you ? After I get off these drugs, and finally pass this kidney stone (who
knows when,, maybe I will know tomorrow after seeing the Dr. again) I will find out about your state, and post the details of the facts
here, to see if the pond owner owns his stocked fish, and can do with
them as he pleases. If your right, and you very well may be,, I pity you
living in such a state, as they are in dire need of people with more
than a high school education running their fish and game department. |
Rodney
Aug 10
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| I didn't see any bass dying a "slow and painful death",that must be the |
BassMr
Aug 11
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| There's got to be some metaphor for trickle down economics in here
someplace, but damned if I can't phrase it right? Little help? Scott |
Scott
Aug 11
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| Sure, wouldn't you ?
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Ken
Aug 11
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| Goodness gracious, Mr. BassMr, you seem to be going off the
deep end just a bit, don't you think ? Most of us have been taught the ethics of sportsmanship and
most of us know that ethical sportsmen do not toss live fish
onto the deck of the boat so the dog can play with it. Those
are the actions of a thoughtless and clueless man and not
those of an ethical sportsman. At some level you too must know
this which is why you are the first one in this thread to
utter the word "Democrats." Methinks thou dost protesteth way too damn much.
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Ken
Aug 11
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| SOrry but there is no such thing, "ethics of sportsman", a writen set of |
Rodney
Aug 11
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| It may not be written down, but there is such a thing. |
Ken
Aug 11
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| Yes. Do not make any animal suffer for long periods of time when it is
avoidable.
Bill |
Calif
Aug 11
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| So now you say anyone without your ethics has no character,, or is it
just George has none? :-) |
Rodney
Aug 11
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| Now Bill many people (not those on this list nor me) you hooking the
fish in the first place does this. Get my point :-)
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Rodney
Aug 11
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| I said no such thing. I have left what I did say right there
on your screen. Do not put words in my mouth. > or is it
> just George has none? :-) I'll leave that alone.
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Ken
Aug 11
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| Depends on the state. Licensed bird clubs here (Calif.) can shoot about 9
months a year. They also have to release some amount more of the birds than
they shoot.
Bill |
Calif
Aug 11
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| You are right about certain people, but there is a hell of a lot of
difference between catching a fish and bonking it on the head, and putting
it in the cooler or to the dog, than throwing a live fish to the same dog.
Something about being a caring person. As to GWB. He is a lousy president.
Unfortunately, Kerry is also a piece of crap as to presidential material.
We, as a country, are screwed either way.
Bill |
Calif
Aug 11
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