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Catch & Release

Did you happen to watch Dubya on the Roland Martin show ?

Seems our Chief Executive catches bass and then lets his dog chew them to death instead of releasing them.

If you didn't catch it the first time, it will air again on the Outdoor Life Network. Go here and follow the links for air times, the episode is called "The Executive Pond."

http://www.fishingwithrolandmartin.com/

Ken
Aug 9
2004
Seems you're a couple days late on the airtime Ken, it ran 2x on the 6th. So, tell us about it...

Warren

-- http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions

go-bassn
Aug 9
....and eats them? If the dog eats them, I feel sorry for the dog. I can see this creating potential health threats. On the other hand, as long as the fish gets eaten when not thrown back I don't see a problem with not releasing the fish.

If a person eats it for food or it's a dog that eats it, it's still being eaten. Being eaten, for the most part, has always been an acceptable reason for not releasing fish. In _many_ cases, releasing all caught fish actually does more harm then good.

Todd
Aug 9
So what, looks like a smart thing to so

It's his pond, it's over stocked with bass, and everyone knows you take out the little bass caught on a small pond,, I know many pond owners that just throw them up on the bank, and tell you to do the same thing when you fish their ponds . The state fish biologist tell them to do this.

You can't C&R every bass in a pound,, you will have nothing but dinks in it >

Rodney
Aug 9
Problem was, it was a dink. An undersized bass. Is our President above the law? Craig
Aug 10
The problem is

You don't understand fish & game laws

If I owned a pond,, I can catch and cook/throw away, 200 bass out of that pond in a single day, and have broken no laws. I could even drain that pond killing every fish in it, and have broken no laws.

Farm ponds and lakes are not under limit laws of the states

Limit laws are for the maintaining of species in "public" waters

WHat part of

" This lake is on my ranch"

"I Built this lake 4 years ago "

"I stocked this lake"

"the fish biologist that checks this lake twice a year tells us to remove all undersize bass"

Did you not understand

Rodney
Aug 9
In Michigan, my pond or my lake means I own the hole, but once water enters that hole, the state of Michigan has regulation over the water and the wildlife that is in it or on it. I can maintain it (meaning I can stock it how I please), but if the state HAS any knowledge of that pond, limit laws can be enforced and it can never be drained without DEQ's permission - under the laws that govern wetlands.

Craig
Aug 10
I believe the same thing applies to farmlands and hunting. So if I own 500 acres... can I legally harvest deer from there 365 days a year? Nope! Charles
Aug 9
Here you do not need a fishing license and the season is open all year long on such a pond. Even so i think there is a guiding principle for most anglers that you don't let a fish go to spoil. That is exactly what happened when they threw the fish to a dog (as you say) and made it part of the TV show. lurebuilder
Aug 10
That means your state is CRAZY, and you will never have any decent size fish in a small pond,, not for long anyway,, I would love to read that law,, surely it's posted some where on the internet ?

Let me tell you that is not the case everywhere,, and it's sure not down south, our state has a little bit of brains when it comes to fish and game management

Rodney
Aug 9
I don't think you're going to find anyone here that's going to advocate you "throwing away" a bass regardless of the circumstances.

Warren -- http://www.warrenwolk.com/ http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com 2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions

go-bassn
Aug 9
decent size fish in a small pond,, not for long anyway,, I would love to read that law,, surely it's posted some where on the internet ? "

Reponses: Probably is, but don't look for me to go find it.

Rodney wrote: "Let me tell you that is not the case everywhere,, and it's sure not down south, our state has a little bit of brains when it comes to fish and game management"

Response: If George has anything to do with it, you're right, a little brain is involved - very little. The man is an idiot, who has stiffed way Too much coke!!!

Craig
Aug 10
Lots of places do not have size limits. In California, some lakes have a slot limit, and others a minimum size and others have no size limit. Bill Calif
Aug 10
AHA!!!

The truth rears it's ugly head. You simply dislike Bush so therefore everything he does is subject to your disapproval.

You have to remember the worst thing about U.S. politics is the politicians .... all of them.

Budd

Budd
Aug 10
Actually Charles, you can! If you have that 500 acres totally surrounded by fence, there were no deer there to begin with, and you paid for the deer that are now in there, you can hunt deer 365 days a year.

High fence operations do that all the time. AND, you don't need to have a hunter's safety certificate, a hunting licence and you can use any weapon that your little ol' heart desires.

Steve
Aug 10
Only if it is high fenced off so no wild deer can come onto the land, and all deer there, you legally put on your land (imported), there are no native deer there. (native wild deer are property of the state, as they were not yours to start with, neither are their young, even if you fence them in)

When a person builds a pound there is nothing there, everything must be purchased and stocked by the land owner,, these are no longer wild stock, the land owner owns the pound the water and everything in it,, this is true for Texas, and for Alabama, it might not be true for communist states (where the state claims ownership of anything they want to)

WHy argue with me about this ,, just look it up

Rodney
Aug 10
That's one reason you have so few large bass in small compounds, we have a state park here, that has a sign on it's three lakes to take every bass out you catch, up to the 10 fish limit, that C&R has damaged the fishing in these three lakes

I have a photo of that sign I can post to the other news group

These lakes are small, the biggest being 100 acres.

Game management requires just that, managing, and adjusting the slots and limits to each body of water for the correct balance of sized fish

WHat's good on a 100,000 acre lake that has 1,000 fisherman fishing it a day, is not good for a 10 acre farm pond with two fishermen fishing it once a mouth.

Some here complain about all the little bass they catch, take out some of those little bass and the others have food enough to become huge bass.

When I have caught 40 + bass in a day, and none over 2 lbs, then that water is over stocked, it needs to be thinned out to grow some big ones, I have had many 40+ days on small private lakes and ponds, and all of them dinks, sure they are fun to catch, but I would have rather caught 10, 4 to 6 lb'ers, than 60, 1 lb'ers.

I think some of you guys like a lot of "Hungry" fish :-)

I like my bass well fed

In most of our private lakes now we take out everything under 2 lbs, return the rest to keep growing, you won't/can't catch all the dinks, so there will always be bass coming up to size, especially with all those huge bass spawning every year

Rodney
Aug 10
< WHy argue with me about this ,, just look it up >

You can prove anythign that's even remotely true with facts. *rolling eyes*

Christopher - The answer to all of life's problems can be found in The Simpsons. :)

Christopher
Aug 10
C&R has nothing to do with root of the problem, though it doesn't help improve it. The lakes you speak of are out of balance as a result of a weak link or links in their ecostystems. It also has nothing to do with the size of the lakes either, as vast water bodies can be subject to imbalances as well (although not as likely). Small lakes & ponds can & do have totally healthy, balanced predator/prey populations for decades.

In your lakes bass are most likely the top predator. If they become stunted & overpopulated it's a result of a weakness far below them in the food chain that results in a significant lack of forage. This can be caused by lots of things, from lack of nursery cover to overstocking of predatory species. Basically everyone in there needs to eat when they're hungry.

Ceasing C&R practices is nothing more than a temporary fix, it does nothing to solve the problem. And throwing away perfectly good bass is a rediculous waste of a resource.

Warren

go-bassn
Aug 10
I'm embarrased to admit it, but you've said something here that makes, well, sense.

ROTFLMAO, never thought I'd say that!

Warren

go-bassn
Aug 10
Wow - glad I don't own property there - uh, you can own property? Or do you just occupy it for the state? Ronnie fishing.guide@about.com http://fishing.about.com rgarri7470
Aug 10
Game animals and birds are different. They can move from one property to another. Fish in my pond ain't likely to show up a mile away in public water. Maybe if the is a big flood, but not normally. Ronnie fishing.guide@about.com http://fishing.about.com rgarri7470
Aug 10
Sorry, Warren, but I agree completely. I had a state fisheries biologists tell me two weeks ago that I should remove small bass from my pond, even if I just discard them. Removing them is the only way to keep teh pond in balance. I have not been doing that and had a bad fish kill in one pond because it is overpopulated. What I do with fish in my pond does not affect anyone but me. Ronnie fishing.guide@about.com http://fishing.about.com rgarri7470
Aug 10
That's not exactly true. Look at what pheasant farms do for dog training. You can hunt pheasant on those farms all year long. Deer can be hunted the same way with a fence if you bought and paid for the deer assuming no deer were in place to begin with. It is possible that these laws very from state to state. I am pretty certain that in Ohio, if the pond does not drain into public waters, you can do whatever you want.

Jeff

Jeff
Aug 10
So, if John Kerry did this, it would not have been a problem? Oh wait -- that is the guy that thought cutting holes in the ice was cheating. No actually, that was Bill Clinton. Kerry was too dumb to figure it out. :-)

Jeff

Jeff
Aug 10
Ponds are balanced to "provide" some removal of fish, the "perfect" balance without removing those fish from small compounds can not be had, there is no pond that is "perfect" and grow trophy fish, without the removal of bass

WHy don't you spend a little time with your wildlife department's biologist, like i have for 30 years, they do accept volunteer workers to help them out, at least my state does.

At least do a little research in pond management

Knowing how to catch fish does not make you an expert on the conservation of fish.

You must be a democrat They all think the "world" can be made perfect :-)

Rodney
Aug 10
He won't believe you Ronnie, well, at least he won't admit I was right, some how he thinks I'm a threat to him, If I know something he does not.

If I tell the group the sky is blue,, he will say it's gray. He does not understand how bad this makes him look

Rodney
Aug 10
That is an interesting comment. Most Republicans I know are Christians. Many Democrats I know are not. I am not saying that a Democrat cannot be a Christian. A Christian knows that this world will not be made perfect by our actions. It will get better upon the return of you know who. Then it will be destroyed and remade.

I am not trying to stereotype anyone, but perhaps that is the fundamental difference between the two parties. Also, liberals tend to see things as complex issues -- three sides to a two sided coin. Conservatives view things more as black & white or right & wrong.

Let's get back to fishing!!!

Jeff

Jeff
Aug 10
Removing dinks is one thing, I don't know anything about Texas fish & geame laws, but that's not really the point. An ethical sportsman does not toss a live bass onto the deck of his boat and let his dog gnaw on it for fun while it dies a slow death.

Kill the bass, eat the bass, cull the bass, whatever, but have a little respect in the process. I would, and I suspect most here would too.

Ken
Aug 10
No,John Kerry is the one that made the following statement about deer hunting being his favorite type hunting: "I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach. I track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them. You know, you kind of play the wind.That's hunting." Ronnie fishing.guide@about.com http://fishing.about.com rgarri7470
Aug 11
Would you say the same thing about bluegill? How about carp or gar? Ronnie fishing.guide@about.com http://fishing.about.com rgarri7470
Aug 11
Response: If George has anything to do with it, you're right,,,,,,,

Craig you just earned my second killfile. I hoped I got away from name calling when I quit teaching middle school kids. Ronnie fishing.guide@about.com http://fishing.about.com

rgarri7470
Aug 11
So you don't know this as a fact,, it's just something you heard some where ?

I don't have a problem with people telling me what they "think" is true, as long as they qualify the statement stating they, think, or have heard, or believe. Nothing wrong with stating your beliefs, maybe someone else can correct you if they are wrong, or certify them if you are right

Or

If you do know it is fact, you want others to prove, or disprove it as fact ? you will offer no proof beyond you just stating it, and expect everyone else to just believe you, or at least not to question you ?

After I get off these drugs, and finally pass this kidney stone (who knows when,, maybe I will know tomorrow after seeing the Dr. again)

I will find out about your state, and post the details of the facts here, to see if the pond owner owns his stocked fish, and can do with them as he pleases. If your right, and you very well may be,, I pity you living in such a state, as they are in dire need of people with more than a high school education running their fish and game department.

Rodney
Aug 10
I didn't see any bass dying a "slow and painful death",that must be the BassMr
Aug 11
There's got to be some metaphor for trickle down economics in here someplace, but damned if I can't phrase it right? Little help?

Scott

Scott
Aug 11
Sure, wouldn't you ? Ken
Aug 11
Goodness gracious, Mr. BassMr, you seem to be going off the deep end just a bit, don't you think ?

Most of us have been taught the ethics of sportsmanship and most of us know that ethical sportsmen do not toss live fish onto the deck of the boat so the dog can play with it. Those are the actions of a thoughtless and clueless man and not those of an ethical sportsman. At some level you too must know this which is why you are the first one in this thread to utter the word "Democrats."

Methinks thou dost protesteth way too damn much.

Ken
Aug 11
SOrry but there is no such thing, "ethics of sportsman", a writen set of Rodney
Aug 11
It may not be written down, but there is such a thing. Ken
Aug 11
Yes. Do not make any animal suffer for long periods of time when it is avoidable. Bill Calif
Aug 11
So now you say anyone without your ethics has no character,, or is it just George has none? :-) Rodney
Aug 11
Now Bill many people (not those on this list nor me) you hooking the fish in the first place does this.

Get my point :-)

Rodney
Aug 11
I said no such thing. I have left what I did say right there on your screen. Do not put words in my mouth.

> or is it > just George has none? :-)

I'll leave that alone.

Ken
Aug 11
Depends on the state. Licensed bird clubs here (Calif.) can shoot about 9 months a year. They also have to release some amount more of the birds than they shoot. Bill Calif
Aug 11
You are right about certain people, but there is a hell of a lot of difference between catching a fish and bonking it on the head, and putting it in the cooler or to the dog, than throwing a live fish to the same dog. Something about being a caring person. As to GWB. He is a lousy president. Unfortunately, Kerry is also a piece of crap as to presidential material. We, as a country, are screwed either way. Bill Calif
Aug 11
   

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