Dropshotting
What are ideal conditions for DS? Such as deep or shallow, clear or stained,
weeds or gravel, etc. Any info anyone would like to give on conditions or
techniques is appreciated. I have tried several times with out success.TIA John C. French |
John
Sep 17
2004
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| My best guess based on my total lack of skill at the technique is.... Clear to lightly stained with scattered grass growing off the bottom upto as
tall as 2 feet. Depth being anywhere there are fish, but I can't see drop
shotting in really really shallow water. For really really really deep
water I think I would tend to look more at a Carolina rig. However, there are some exceptions. I might use a drop shot in places where
I would flip or pitch like standing tulies in 3-6 feet of water if I felt a
more finesse presentation would work. Probably go more to a "Bubba
Shotting" type app in those cases using 20lb fluorocarbon and a hook with a
weedguard. I might even use a weight with a rattle built in. My
presentation for this would probably be gin clear water where I have seen
good fish. I would back way off from the tulies to near my maximum pitching
distance and be prepared to kick my trolling motor upto high and crash into
the tulies if I hooked up a good fish. Just some thoughts. Your mileage will vary. Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com |
Bob
Sep 17
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| You can ds anywhere you cr, shallow & deep water included. I've ds'ed in 1
foot of water with great success. |
go-bassn
Sep 17
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| Warren, could you elaborate on that 1' DS method? Did you, by chance, use
it from a distance on bedded bass with a bobber stopper or was the plastic
of the floating variety?
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Sep 17
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| I've done that too Steve. I'm not sure what you mean by the bobber
stopper/floating plastic. ds is deadly on bedders of both species,
especially in shallow water. I use about a 36" leader for shallow
dropshotting, everything else just the ordinary. Warren |
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Sep 17
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Sep 17
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| YES! see article below... RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing/articles/dropshot.html |
RichZ
Sep 17
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| Why not try the Jay Yelas rig? He combines both a DS rig with a CR rig by
tying the DS hook on the main line above the swivel for the CR rig. The
length above the swivel would depend on the conditions that one is fishing.
According to Yelas, this would give the angler a double shot at the fish at
two different depths and baits and can help determine what the fish want at
a given time. Makes a great search rig, in that anytime the CR weight
contacts some cover, the rig can be held in place and then shake, shake,
shake with the rod tip to really bring the DS bait into action. He demo'd
this rig at the Grand Opening of the Bass Pro shop near here in Shreveport,
La. Looked and really sounded reasonable the way he presented it.
I haven't had the opportunity to try this yet, but plan to in the near
future.
Keep yer fanny dry and yer line wet!
Cheers, |
Doyce
Sep 17
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| Ds for bedders. I like that. I have a coule repeat beds picked out for
next season that this might just be the ticket for.
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Sep 17
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| WEll he DID not come up with it I did, and demo'ed it 3 years ago at Bass Pro, and the Classic in New
Orleans, even have it in a video filmed 40 months ago, and Bill Dance
using it on his show 32 months ago I will give Jay a call,, and at least get him to say he saw it elsewhere |
Rodney
Sep 18
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| Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet. |
John
Sep 18
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| You had better not bet on this one,, you will instantly loose I CAN PROVE this, it was even in the Boomerang instructions three years
ago, I showed it to every pro at the Guntersville B.A.S.S. Tournament a
couple of years ago, and it was in Bassmaster's magazine (with me) in
June 2001, it's even part of my patent What more PROOF do you want ?????????????????????????????????
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Rodney
Sep 18
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| You did not invent it Rodney. You just applied it to using a CR rig or some
other rig below a dropshot in bass fishing. There were probably others
doing it bass fishing also. We have used a hook above a jig for at least 50
years that I know of while fishing for rockcod on the west coast. The hook
above used to be a shrimp fly and then with the advent of plastics a grub or
a swimbait.
Bill |
Calif
Sep 18
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| Yet you are saying he did ? |
Rodney
Sep 18
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| Rodney, does anyone really care about your inventions? I sure don't...I
hate to admit it but I bought one of you "eznot" rigs and it was a
POS..JMO... Git-R-Done |
uscgret
Sep 18
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| Rodney,
Jay Yelas NEVER claimed to have invented the rig in question, but was merely
demo'ing it in answer to a question from a member of the audience. IT was ME
that tagged it "the Jay Yelas rig" as this was the first time that I had
seen it. Now if you have a problem with me doing so, I could care frikken
less. You may or may not have invented it, but who gives a rats rear end as
you said yourself that you couldn't or wouldn't patient it, so therefore, it
is pubic domain as for as I am concerned much the same as the Texas rig,
which I'm sure that you invented also! All I was attempting to do is present another method or technique to the OP
so that he could try different options to find which works best for him. So
get off your high horse and quit worry so much about someone stealing your
thunder and get a life. Go fishing and don't sweat the small crap! Cheers, |
Doyce
Sep 18
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| I did, and I now remember showing it to Jay, as I made some phone calls |
Rodney
Sep 18
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| They seam to, as I've made many thousands of dollars from my licensees, |
Rodney
Sep 18
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| So, I can tie a line to a cane pole, attach a hook to it, get a patent and
say I invented it? You must have also invented the cast on your arm that you broke while
patting yourself on the back...... |
John
Sep 18
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| Snip |
John
Sep 18
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| No joke there, Rodney! It's absolutely obnoxious....and for God's sake, get
a spell checker - please! You know Rodney, some people are absolutely unaware of how big an ass they
are. Are you as egotistical, brash and obnoxious in person as you seem to
be on this NG? Or can you not make this judgment yourself? Please refrain from mentioning your patents (again and again) in your
answer...with over 6.8 million patents in existence, it's not exactly unique
to have a novel idea! |
Andrew
Sep 19
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|
Now it's time for me to eat crow,, I did not show Jay the rig he showed, I misread the original post. I invented (in my patent) the Carolina Drop shot, (which I had showed to
him) not tying a hook to the top of the standard Caroline rig, although
I did this (what he talked about and showed at Bass Pro) I did include
it in the web site directions for the EZ Knot Tool, but I did not make
the hook stand out like a drop shot hook, I did not include that in my
patent (the double lure, one on a carolina rig, ) I did use this in testing the StandOut hook, in the drop shot, along
with running a pig and jig below it, many fishermen use the jig instead
of a drop shot weight,, where they have a bottom that does not eat a lot
of jigs Here is where I misread The "Carolina Drop SHot" is a swivel placed (not tied) on the main line,
the a hook tied to that main line "below" the swivel, the swivel slides
freely up and down the line to the hook, now you attach a leader and
then a drop shot weight to the other eye of the swivel. WHen the fish
hits,, you can let him run with the lure, he will not be dragging the
weight, and the lower leader does not interfere with a deep hook set. This is worked like a drop shot rig, with the same action being applied
to the lure, but just like the carolina rig, when the fish strikes, he
does not pick up the weight, you can also use a smaller line to the drop
shot weight, so if the weight hangs, it will break before the main line does OK, I made a mistake, I caught the mistake, and I admitted it |
Rodney
Sep 18
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| It is doubtful that you could have secure a patent on it or else you |
Doyce
Sep 18
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| person, just one, that has become rich and famous from selling a technique. Jenna Jameson.. I won't describe the technique :-) |
alwaysfishking
Sep 18
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| I am saying just because you published it first and that is questionable,
that you did not invent it. Do a literature search on saltwater and rockcod
fishing. The dropshot is just a freshwater version of what saltwater
fishermen have been using for probably 2000+ years. Since hooks were
developed. We saltwater fishermen have been using a stinger hook above a
jig for as long as I can remember and I am 61 years old. The western bass
pro's came up with dropshot for deep lakes. And I bet he fished the Pacific
Ocean off a boat of pier. Florida does not have deep lakes so is not a
place where it would be invented. Can be used in shallow water on bedding
bass, etc., but that is a side benefit to the dropshot. First to publish
most likely gets credit, but being you are a saltwater fisherman also, I
seriously believe you have seen the hook above a jig. You just applied it
to bass with your banjo do-dad. You may even have a patent, but is most
likely not an enforceable patent for a hook above a jig. Those bass people
you mentioned had never seen a dropshot until a deep water fisherman came
from the west to kick ass. Same as flipp'n. Dee Thomas did not invent the
concept, he just improved on it and modified the original Tule-dippn that
won him his national first tourney. They banned the long pole, so he
figured out another way to do it. And Dee even gives credit to the old guys
who figured out tule-dippn at Clear Lake, California. I remember watching
Clude and the others with 10' bamboo poles and a heavy line and a live
rubber jig, dancing the jig on top the water and pulling out big bass. You
may have come up with another application for a hook above a jig, but you
did not invent the concept.
Bill |
Calif
Sep 19
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| Apparently not, as numerous people have told him this numerous times. |
Henry
Sep 18
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| Good one, alwaysfishking! I stand corrected! But we ain't talkin no Bass
fishin now either!!! LOL!
Cheers, |
Doyce
Sep 18
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| No not really..... |
alwaysfishking
Sep 19
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| Rodney, thanks but keep your money, I consider it a little lesson, I
bought 4 or 5 and gave then to friends and none are in use or were ever
used...I wonder how many of the other 20,000 are in use? You call it
"EZknot" I say "ezNOT" <grin> Git-R-Done |
uscgret
Sep 19
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| I'm so glad that I kill-filed Rodney a LONG time ago... |
Charles
Sep 19
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| No. That was Vern Six. ;)~ Doc
= "John C. French" <jcfrench@westelcom.com> wrote in message news:414c32d5$0$99883$38cefb40@news.westelcom.com...
Yeah, and I bet it was you, not Al Gore....that invented the internet. |
Doc
Sep 19
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| "Masengale breath mints of all" relax... |
Rick
Sep 19
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| Doc, how did you and Moe survive Wind #2? |
Calif
Sep 20
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| Sorry ya'll couldn't learn a new knot, or didn't want to take the time to I would say quite a few are in use as I have 80% reorders, where they
bought for their friends, "after" they got their own., or they lost
their first one It is just a cheaper, and easier to use "Tie-Fast" they sell those by
the millions I've "stopped" selling the EZknot,, I don't want to be in retail, I
would rather have some big company sell my inventions, and they send me
a check every month, so I can fish every day, one person can't sell
enough of $1.50 products to make it worth his time.
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Rodney
Sep 20
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| I found the EZnot "device" impractical to use in a fishing situation..I
think I could learn to use it as I can splice line ie eye splice, short
splice and long splice, at one time I could splice wire rope...This is
my last comment on the ezNOT device... |
uscgret
Sep 20
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| Sue & I are fine here. everything that could get broken was already busted by Charley. No new damage here. Moe is in up state
New York just east of Buffalo and is doing fine. I talked to him yesterday and he's complaining it's getting cold already. Doc
=== "Calif Bill" <bmckee.nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:yNu3d.402$g42.185@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Doc, how did you and Moe survive Wind #2? |
Doc
Sep 20
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| Me too! I'm enjoying rofb much better now, with no Al & Rodney. Warren :-) |
go-bassn
Sep 20
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| I thought Moe had returned to the land of sun and bugs.
Good to hear that no more damage was done.
Bill |
Calif
Sep 20
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| Go get em Steve, I expect pictures. You need the long leader in the shallows to present the bait off the bottom.
The angle of presentation is very thin in the shallows because you cast from
a longer distance. Warren
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go-bassn
Sep 21
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| Try one of the Starm natural minnows on the nests Bob. Warren
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