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A while back I commented on the drop in license sales, and the subsequent decline in the industry. I got a lot of flack, and some constructive commentary. I saw this posted on another group. I did not yet check it to see if it backs up the declining license sales as reported in some of the fishing magazines, but it has a lot of info regarding fishing license sales if anybody is interested.

http://masl.gnomehack.com/?C56E32DE9

When I looked at Arizona, it looked like license sales were actually growing for a couple years, and then dropped off the last couple. A small growth would make sense due to the massive population growth of the state, but the drop off the last couple years is a big surprise as the growth of the state has done nothing but continue to increase. I was just checking total licenses, permits, etc, so it is possible that the decline of winter visitors post 9/11 has had a substantial effect.

Bob
Dec 3
2004
Oh my, you've been reading roff ?!!?

You better get to the bathroom right away and wash your mind out with soap. ;-)

Ken
Dec 3
This may be way off, but isn't Arizona a huge retirement state? I think here in Wisconsin you no longer need a fishing license over 65 (I could be wrong, and I a probably am) so I wonder if that has something to do with the increase in population and the decrease in fishing licenses. Also along the same lines, how has the number of country club licenses done? In-Fisherman last month had a small article on the decline in resident fishing licenses in Canada , but the increase in licenses from non-resident fisherman. Maybe it is regional, but here in Wisconsin a huge part of the population fishes, and it seems there are more and more people fishing every year. In-Fisherman also mentioned that a big chunk of the non-resident licenses come from Wisconsin as well. I personally buy licenses for Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan , and Ontario. That also includes a great lakes stamp where applicable :-).

Just some ramblings.

Chris

Chris
Dec 3
You are correct in that Arizona has a "Pioneer License," but you have to have been a resident for atleast 25 years to qualify. We do get a lot of retirees, mostly part time visitors in the witner months, hence the name "snowbird," but that is not the bulk of our growth. Military is going to be a huge growth influx both in personnel and support business in the next couple years, and it has alreayd started. Most areas are building houses as fast as they can. In Yuma the top builders are 8-12 months out from signing a contract to completing a house. Bob
Dec 3
And you would know that HOW exactly? LOL. Bob
Dec 3
I went to a meeting of the Conservation Fund Advisory Board for NY State. State government proposed free licenses for veterans, and the advisory board opposed it big time, because they get federal money for every license sold. I think discount licenses count in the fed tally, but free ones don't.

Scott

Scott
Dec 3
I freely confess to being the sort of debauched degenerate who would read roff, but I'm surprised at YOU, Bob. ;-) Ken
Dec 3
Gotta be honest with you Ken. I'm a fisherman first, and a bass angler second. If I can go out and have a blast catching fish I don't care what kind they are. I even own not one, not two, but three fly rods. Never caught a bass on any of them. Lotsa trout though.

Bob
Dec 3
Man, that's a real shame. You owe it to yourself to target bass with your fly rod one of these days.

When you toss one of Dave Whitlock's weedless deerhair creations on top of a weed bed and then ever so slightly "twitch" it into the water it doesn't disappear in swirl like it might with trout. No, it explodes in a ferocious vortex, a heart pounding wall of water displaced by that aquatic vacuum cleaner Mr. Largemouth. It's a hoot.

Big smallies don't have as much flair for the dramatic when they hit something on the surface, but they'll fight harder than a largemouth of twice the size. There's lakes in northern Ontario where you can catch 4 lb. smallies on a surface fly 'til you're just too arm weary to catch anymore.

I hardly ever fish with anything other than a fly rod anymore although I have been known to toss a gob of worms into the Upper Mississippi, sit back in a lawn chair with a Budweiser close to hand and wait for a channel cat who's dying to be invited to dinner. ;-)

Ken
Dec 3
License prices are going up 30% here (TN) next year... Charles
Dec 3
Charles,

I just heard on the Radio that the Wisconsin DNR is asking the governor to raise license fees for both fishing and hunting. Like I always said, I would pay $50/annually if I knew a majority of the money I was contributing was going back to the fishery. The reality is only a small percentage goes back into the fishery itself, and the rest dispersed throughout the state to things completely unrelated to the outdoors, but that is life I guess. I can't wait to see what they come up with. Mr. Huber , chime in if you have any more info on it !

Chris

Chris
Dec 3
If Wis. goes to $50/yr for residents, the non-res licence will probably go to $50/week!

pat

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pat
Dec 3
Well, even with a 30% increase our cost for a small game/resident fishing license will only be $27.00.

I never complained about the cost, because like you... I'm hoping that it's going to benefit our waters and land. I remember paying a mere $8.00 for my first license.

Charles
Dec 3
I don't EVEN want to hear a complaint about Wisconsin Non-Resident Fees. I turkey hunted in Illinois one time. It cost me over $150.00 to attempt to shoot one lousy bird.

At the same time, a non-resident could come to Wisconsin, plunk down $147.00 and take home TWO whitetail deer.

Steve
Dec 4
Would he have to shoot them in WI, or could he wait till he got home?

WW ;-)

go-bassn
Dec 4
BOY Steve! Why don't you just put that money towards a new custom Hubberll telescope for the rifle? Then you could shoot just about anything in Illinois from Wisconsin and have the guys in brown bring it home for ya?. ;-))) -- Steve Steve
Dec 4
I like that - a Hubber for Huber...

WW

go-bassn
Dec 4
I can't find any scopes with a name similar to any of the derivations. I tried Hubberll, Hubberl, Hubber, google didn't come up with anything. Got a link Stoney? Steve
Dec 5
Sure thing Steve, try http://heritage.stsci.edu/ -- (ROTFLMAO!) Steve Steve
Dec 5
Well, here's the scoop from what I know about the proposed license fee increase.

First of all, license fees have not increased in seven years, normally, they increase about every 4 years, so we're overdue for a hike.

The discovery of Chronic Wasting Disease in Wisconsin's deer herd has meant that funds had to be diverted from other areas of the DNR's budget for control efforts, research and education. The hysteria created by the media meant a drop in deer hunting license sales, which meant a drop in revenue.

The state legislature did a little "creative accounting" to reduce the state's deficit and shifted game warden salaries, which took money from DNR programs. This means that the DNR does not have the money to staff game warden levels to anything close to where we should be. Wisconsin has one of the lowest number of wardens per area covered in the Lower 48 states.

There's a projected $17 million deficit for both 2004 and 2005 if there is no license fee increase.

If the proposed fee increase does not happen, here's what more than likely will happen.

_ Reduce musky stocking 33 percent, trout stocking 50 percent.

_ Close two hatcheries, one weir and outlying ponds.

_ Cut trout habitat work 20 percent, warmwater habitat work 50 percent, and surveys 33 percent.

_ Cut 10 fish biologists, 15 technicians, 10 hatchery staff.

_ Stop habitat management on most Wildlife Management areas and Fisheries areas.

_ Close state game farm, which produces 57,000 adult pheasant and 60,000 day-old-chicks for public hunting opportunity.

_ Cut time biologists and wardens spend on customer service, responding to clubs/partner organization requests

_ Cut 40 full-time warden jobs.

_ Reduce wildlife population data collection and reporting.

_ Cut 25 full-time customer service and licensing people and reduce hours at eight to 10 DNR service centers.

Also, as much as I dislike having a game warden's boat pull up alongside mine, I have nothing to fear from them as I do my best to follow all fish & game laws. I see the need to have the "Fish Cops" out doing their job, because without them, our resources would be raped by the "less scrupulous".

While many of these cuts won't directly impact me, as I do little (if any) trout fishing and pheasant hunting, I realize that many people do. Wisconsin has always had a good reputation as being on the leading edge of wildlife research and fish/game management. Without the necessary funding, many of these programs will go down the tubes and I for one am willing to pay to continue them.

The $6 - $25 license fee increase is peanuts. When you stop and think about how much money that you drop in a year for fishing and hunting related items, what in the world is $6 - $25????

Steve
Dec 5
Boy, do I feel like a doofus now. I thought there was a rifle scope company out there that I hadn't heard of. Steve
Dec 5
I buy two annual fishing licenses (TX and WI) and used to buy a third ( Illinois). The two, together, do not cost $100.00. I know of plenty of guys who spend $100.00 on ONE DAY'S golf greens fees. I feel sorry for those with less available dollars to spend on recreation, but still find fishing a cost effective, totally fun way to go. RichG
Dec 5
Sorry about that Steve!!!!! Wasn't my intention to put the doof on ya bud! With the right rifle imagine what you could all shoot! Never mind the guys in brown, you might need the men in black! ;-)) -- Steve

> Boy, do I feel like a doofus now. I thought there was a rifle scope company

Steve
Dec 5
Not exactly Wis non resident went up to $40 this year up from $32 or $34 last year. Don't get me wrong I buy a Non resident license every year.Love fishing in Wis. :)

Chris S

Chris
Dec 5
Personally I don't mind paying the fees, as long as I feel that they are going to the conservation effort. Since this is a fishing newsgroup, and I'm feeling jumpy today. I have found the Non-Resident prices for both Illinois (my home state) and Wisconsin (my favorite fishing state) From the Illinois DNR license site:

Full Season Fishing $24.50 10 Day Fishing $13.00 24 Hour Fishing $5.50 Lake Michigan Salmon Stamp $6.50 Inland Trout Stamp $6.50

Wisconsin DNR License site:

Fishing, Annual 40.00 X X X Fishing, Family Annual (primary) (includes children 16 & 17 years of age) 65.00 X X X Fishing, Family Annual (secondary) 0.00 X X X Fishing, 4 day 18.00 X X X Fishing, 15 day 24.00 X X X Fishing, 15 day Family 40.00 X X X Inland Trout Stamp 7.25 X X X Great Lake Salmon/Trout Stamp 10.00 X X X Great Lake Fishing, 2 day (includes Great Lake Salmon/Trout Stamp) 14.00 X

pat
Dec 6
Pat, where do you fish when you get to Wisconsin? RichG
Dec 6
   

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