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Color C lectors
Was at a Garage sale today and saw one of these, does anyone still use em or
were they just a flash in the pan gizmo? the guy wanted 20 bucks for it and
I thought about it but did not buy itWayne |
spoonplugger
Feb 7
2005
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| I have one, but seldom use it anymore. The color selection was based on
scientific research at University of Oklahoma by Dr. Loren Hill. He studied
the ability of fish to see colors under certain water colors and light
penetration. I found it to be very effective in picking colors, but also
found that a handful of colors would work in my area. Haven't used it in a
while... It did help with color selection quite a bit, and helped convince me to try
red, which I still love, as well as green, blue, purple and brown. Mine also had a PH indicator, which I still consider useless, as well as a
temp sensor, which I used all the time. You can still buy them brand new online... |
Andrew
Feb 7
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| The new color C-Selectors have a digital readout, and some guys stil swear
by them.
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Bob
Feb 7
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| Spoon, I seem to think they work. I used to have one, but goodness knows
where it is now. I noticed in either the BP Catalog or Cabelas that there's
a new version out for arouind the same price. I think in the area of 90
bucks.
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Joshuall
Feb 7
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| Some years back, I worked on a project with the Hunting & Fishing
Library, which involved, among other things, testing a bunch of them --
from brand new out of the box to units that had been used in the field
for a year. The readings, under identical conditions (with a dozen
sensors side by side in the same water) were all over the ball park. The project ended with a 3 hour conference call that involved a dozen or
so guys, including Loren Hill himself as well as his former boss (head
of the aquatic biology dept at OK), and moderated by Dick Sternberg, who
was then heading up the H&FL, but was a fisheries biologist himself, and
had previously been the head of cool water fisheries management for MN.
Anyway, his ex boss took Hill to task for his research which he said was
incomplete and couldn't support his conclusions well enough to base a
scientific paper on it, much less build a commercial product. For my
part, I contend that even if it did work as advertised, all it would
show you is the color that bass could see best under existing
conditions, which is not necessarily the same thing as the one they are
most likely to respond positively to. Remember, most of the natural
forage a bass eats is camoflauged, and is the precise opposite of the
'most visible'. Too, most visible must include contrast with the
surroundings in the equation, which the C-lector does not. |
RichZ
Feb 7
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| Also, I don't know that bass hunt on sight. Wouldn't they be more likely to
hunt via sound? If they hunt on sight, why on earth would they go after a
spinnerbait? I've never used a Color C-lector but I think I'd try to match
the color of the food the bass was eating before anything else. |
Todd
Feb 8
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| You can easily change the reading that is presented by changing the depth, |
Andrew
Feb 8
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| On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:33:40 -0500, RichZ |
Guy
Feb 7
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| If you think it helps you catch more fish, then it will. You'll work your
bait better, and have more confidence. If you think it's a bunch of hooey, then that's what it is also. |
Pat
Feb 8
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| That's true. I have a combo-c-lector that I tinkered with, and it was
interesting but not particularly useful. When I tried using it, I paid less
attention to much more important variables. Anyone want a free
combo-c-lector? I haven't opened it for about eight years, after getting it
back from a trip to the repair shop. You pay the postage, and it's yours,
free. One a related note.... I had the dubious pleasure of meeting ol' Doc Hill
this past summer. I don't know if it was his usual manner or if he was just
irritated at the time, but I was underwhemed. I spent some time doing him a
favor, and he impressed me with his towering egotism. I usually find it easy
to get along with anyone and enjoy meeting people who have made an impact on
the fishing tackle industry, but I was relieved to turn him over to his
hosts. I'm not at all surprised by his former boss's assessment. Joe "Pat Goff @yahoo.com>" <pmgoffjr<bot> wrote in message
news:4rWNd.28180$uL5.20449@fe2.texas.rr.com...
If you think it helps you catch more fish, then it will. You'll work your
bait better, and have more confidence. If you think it's a bunch of hooey, then that's what it is also. |
Joe
Feb 8
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| So it basically was a flash in the pan then? one of those gotta have and |
spoonplugger
Feb 8
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| Despite the best efforts of infomercials and fish wrappers, there still is
no magic box that will unveil the secrets of the deep. Now, this is going to stirr the hive a little...
Most and I mean 98% of all bass fishermen have no clue how to read their
sonars. What they think they see is wrong, and what they should be seeing,
they don't have a clue. I've known three guys who can turn on a sonar, spot
a feeding bass and then catch it. Three. Not thirty, not three hundred,
three. I can't, and I "thought" I had a clue. |
Pat
Feb 8
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| Remind you of any other inventors you know? I think it is an end result of struggling with the dcevelopement of new
ideas and the inevitable rejection one receives for one's ideas when trying
to get them accepted and produced. You have to project positive attitude
and confidence about your products no matter what anybody else says or you
go nuts. Your buddy Bob Rickard commented in a slightly different manner in
this NG not to long ago about another slightly irritating inventor. Neither
you nor I need to like them, but I think it shows us to be better people if
we atleast take the effort to understand that. Even Bob who seems to be a
pretty good guy comes off a little over strong sometimes. Bob is just a
little better at dealing with it than some others.
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Bob
Feb 8
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| Well now, you've gotten all sorts of personal, and scientific responses, so
here's mine. I bought something "similar" to the Color C Lector just a couple years ago.
It was a temp guage that could be lowered up to 50' into the water, to tell
you temps down through the water column (instead of just surface temp) AND
it also included a "gauge" to tell you what colors were most visible at that
depth, at that time. And, I use it, regularly. First, obviously, to find the temp data.
Sometimes, even a good LCD can miss a thermocline in a cooling lake. And
second, I take it's color advice with a grain of salt. I usually look at it,
and try to figure what in "that" particular lake, would be forage for bass,
in as similar a color as I have in the bag. Whether by sheer dumb luck, or
by some fluke of accidental science, it does usualy work. Because it knows
what color the fish are biting? No, not IMO. But because it can give me an
idea of the clarity at 20+ feet if it is different than the apparent surface
water clarity. I simply use it is a measuring tool, just like a thermometer,
barometer, and LCD finder. How I apply its data, is up to me. I don't think
it's the be all end all of tools however. |
SimRacer
Feb 8
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| I think looking at it like, "bass don't hunt by sight" is really to
general. I believe you have to look at the time of year, body of water,
primary forage, and most important the color of the water. If you can see
the bottom in 20ft of water you better believe those fish are feeding by
site. The adaptation to their environment is what keeps a bass thriving
in the US and beyond. If they are in choclate milk, they can hunt
effectively, if they are in 3 foot vis , they can hunt effectively , if
they are in 20 foot vis..etc etc... I believe that the bass is very very
in tune to it surroundings, and if it plain can't see past it's nose , it
is going to use its lateral line. My spinnerbait theory, and I have read it in a huge selection of books and
magazines is the fact that is looks like something chasing a baitfish,
therefore not paying attention to the predators watching it. So it is an
easy feeding opportunity for the bass. I believe if given the opportunity
at an easy meal the bass is going to take it. It is a matter of survival,
they don't have the convenience (all the time) of picking when they are
going to have their next meal. Oh well, just my opinions of course, and thoughts based on my experiences :-) |
Chris
Feb 8
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| But Bill Dance said.... Bill Dance Said ..... ! ! ! !
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Joshuall
Feb 8
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| good response Racer
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Joshuall
Feb 8
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| LOL, I have two words to say.... Dancin' Eel |
Steve
Feb 8
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| I agree with your logic of attempting to match the food, but except in
the dingiest waters, bass are definitely sight feeders. They'll rely on
sound to alert them to the presence and general location of prey, but
the strike/reject decision is almost always visual. Further, a major
reason LM are so cover oriented is that sitting in the shade and
watching for food in the adjacent, unshaded water gives them a
tremendous advantage over prey that they can see easily but which can't
see them looking into the shade. |
RichZ
Feb 8
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