A Challenged To SW Joe !

1 Worms hurt ~!

2- Common sense prevails again over junk science !

love n kisses,

On one hand, a team of prominent veterinary scientists, following several months of intensive laboratory research, having subjected their methodology and findings to peer review and delivering their results to the government who commissioned the study, are wrong. They claim (chortle) that earthworms do not feel pain.

On the other hand, we have Joshuall, who has with his own eyes seen worms wiggle when he poked them with a hook, and who imagines how he would feel if a big ol' worm poked him with a hook. He, too, would writhe in pain. So, based on intuition and imagination, horse sense, and.... uh, well, that's about it.... Joshuall states emphatically that worms do, indeed, feel pain.

Well, that settles it for me. Next time the government should just save their time and money and call Joshuall when they want to know something. :-)

Joe _____________________________________ "Joshuall" <Joshuall@comcast.net> wrote in message news:37ednVyFdNJrLJHfRVn-ig@comcast.com... I'm gonna bet crazy Joe Heaubonehoffer of Secret Weapons fifteen lamb chops, two veal cutlets and a dolphin fish that by the end of the year another study challenges the one in Norway -(where, throughout the course of their 18 month winter -night they all go nuts and suck on raw fish) and that it proves two things. . .

1 Worms hurt ~!

2- Common sense prevails again over junk science !

love n kisses,

That settles it . . . the earth IS flat . . . We ARE the center of the universe ! I feel much better now. And . . .

the next time Charlie Summers hits his thumb with a hammer . . . I'm gonna say "Quit yer gripen Charlie... Joe says yer brain aint big enough to feel pain no how. <g>.

Say, Joshuall, since you're a world-class worm expert, I guess you'll know.... do worm's tail ends taste as good as their head ends?

The research that Joshuall totally dismissed refers only to invertebrates. Want to read a fishing article referring to findings that fish, too, can't feel pain? See http://www.donmeredith.ca/outdoorsmen/FeelinNoPain.html

The author asks a great question (interestingly, the same question that Joshuall asked, too, I think): "So what?"

Whether or not a fish, cricket, or worm feels pain shouldn't really make any difference in our decision to fish. Don't let PETA frame the debate on whether or not it is "right" or "wrong" to fish and hunt. They may fool the public, but don't let them suck us in, too. Let's not give credence to PETA's proposition that "pain = bad" and "causing pain = doing evil." The rightness of fishing and hunting has nothing to do with pain.

Pain, in the final sense, is good. Imagine our trying to get through life without it. I'd give the human race less than even odds of surviving ten years, under those conditions.

We shouldn't stake out a position, as the Oslo research might tempt us to, that hurting some animals is acceptable because they don't feel pain. That just begs the question, "Is it right, then, to treat an a pain-feeling animal in such a way as to cause it pain?"

Our position must be, whether or not an animal feels pain, it is proper for us to hunt or harvest them. Then we must be prepared to offer the reason why that is so.

Can you?

Joe Haubenreich wrote: <snip>