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Was I justified?

I was camping these past few days at a State park. Well Saturday morning comes and I head out to the lake for some early morning fishing.

As I am fishing a particular shoreline and I see this bass boat coming behind me from the other side of the lake. Two guys pull up and go right in front of me, maybe 50-75 feet away. I yell over to the guy that I'm fishing here and that maybe there's somewhere else he wants to try. He responds with. "Are you fishing a tournament?" "No" I reply. He states " Well we are and we won't get in your way, we're just gonna work our way down" again I voice my displeasure at his inabiltiy to grasp the concept that I'm fishing there. He ignores me now and continues to keep fishing. I put down the rod and troll in front of him about 20 yards ahead to a laydown tree in the water. Cast my speedworm to the outer limbs and feel a solid thump, I set the hook and get into a nice fish, I boat a nice 2.5 lb bass, hold it up and yell this one would be a good tournament fish huh guys?, then release it and motor away. A few comments I could not make out from the duo but I didn't care I was happy. The boater seemed a little more than upset.

Question: Was I right in doing what I did? Or should I have trolled to a different location considering I wasn't in a Tournament. What would you have done. One suggestion was to try and see what I could snag from their deck with my lures. What are the groups thoughts? I would do it again in a heartbeat.

alwaysfishking
Jun 29
2005
Was I justified? Group: rec.outdoors.fishing.bass Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2005, 10:30am (CDT+1) From: Fishking@nospam.ptd.net (alwaysfishking) I was camping these past few days at a State park. Well Saturday morning comes and I head out to the lake for some early morning fishing. As I am fishing a particular shoreline and I see this bass boat coming behind me from the other side of the lake. Two guys pull up and go right in front of me, maybe 50-75 feet away. I yell over to the guy that I'm fishing here and that maybe there's somewhere else he wants to try. He responds with. "Are you fishing a tournament?" "No" I reply. He states " Well we are and we won't get in your way, we're just gonna work our way down" again I voice my displeasure at his inabiltiy to grasp the concept that I'm fishing there. He ignores me now and continues to keep fishing. I put down the rod and troll in front of him about 20 yards ahead to a laydown tree in the water. Cast my speedworm to the outer limbs and feel a solid thump, I set the hook and get into a nice fish, I boat a nice 2.5 lb bass, hold it up and yell this one would be a good tournament fish huh guys?, then release it and motor away. A few comments I could not make out from the duo but I didn't care I was happy. The boater seemed a little more than upset. Question: Was I right in doing what I did? Or should I have trolled to a different location considering I wasn't in a Tournament. What would you have done. One suggestion was to try and see what I could snag from their deck with my lures. What are the groups thoughts? I would do it again in a heartbeat. I'm sure you were justified in the action you took. Maybe in my younger days I would have reacted the same way, but as the years go by, I now avoid conflct...I've fought my wars :)!

Now days, discretion is the better part of valor for me....I would have just motored on out of there to quieter waters....and went fishin!

John

jbkbub
Jun 29
Fishing is fishing no matter if you're fishing for fun or a tournament. I think you did the right thing...LOL. Ok, right is a questionable word... so I'd say you did well. The didn't give a rats ass about you... guess you showed them the same.

Way to go!

Charles
Jun 29
The only person who can tell you if you were justified or in the right is yourself. You were a horse's patoot and happy about it. Not that that's a bad thing, there are times when being a horse's patoot is absolutely the best thing you can do.

I don't like the Tournament Fishing attitude. Some of those guys figure because they've paid an entrance fee they have no obligation to be courteous.

Having said that, if it was me I'd have just paddled away. Life's too short to let jerks mess with my fishing. Now, when I was younger there's no tellin' what kind of mayhem I might have perpetrated on those a**holes. ;-)

Ken
Jun 29
It is hard to be nice when that occurs Randy.I am glad you stuck a fish right in front of them,I am sure that did tick them off ! I just wish it had been even bigger. I have dealt with that "tournament mentality" too from real pros.I had 2 different ones pull up within 50 feet on each side of us one morning.We had been on that spot for 20 minutes and had 3 keepers.When we voiced our disapproval one said "hey,we are fishing for $200,000.00".I would have moved off quietly had they yelled over or something or communicated in some way,but just pull up and start chunkin',no way.We all have to be courteous on the water. Bass_Mr.
Jun 29
As a long time recreational angler and a short time tournament angler I feel that nobody has the right to cut off another angler. The courtesy of atleast asking would be appropriate, but I do not believe a tournament angler has any more right to a stretch of bank than a recreational angler. We both paid for the same license. If anything I feel tournament anglers should be held to a higher standard. We are mnore visible and we should make the sport look better not worse.

I have pulled off many a bank and gone somewhere else even when I was unethically (If not against the rules) cut off by another tournament angler. It makes me mad, but I try to get over it and get back to fishing.

Bob
Jun 29
Actually you should have shot them. . . . so I think you showed remarkable measured restraint <g>.. Joshuall
Jun 29
Hell yes Randy, that's probably the way I would have done it too. Only I think I would have kept working the shore instead of trolling off. As another poster said, "You bought a license just as they did, you have as much right to be there fishing as they do". It just comes down to courtesy between anglers, in which they didn't have any. The "In your face" fish is great! though, you had to love that when you hooked up! I always try harder to catch one in situations like that!

Doug

Doug
Jun 29
As you have read from my previous posts, I have been a victim of the same situation on a few occassions this year already. I think really, they should have motored up to you and asked if it was ok if they jumped in front and fished. That is the approach I have used when coming into an area where someone was anchored. I stopped about 100ft away and asked if I could fish the area near them, even if I realistically really wouldn't have bothered them , I would still ask out of respect.

I love fishing tournaments, but would never think my time on the water is more valuable than the next guys. If I see bank fisherman on a shoreline I like to fish, I don't fish it. If I see a boat anchored near an area I am going to fish, I ask if they mind if I sneak past them. I think a lot of people see these big sparkly boats and right away have a negative attitude about us for reasons such as Randys. I do my best to counter those attitudes here on Winnebago. I think more of us need to stand up and think about others as well, regardless if you are in a tournament or not. My last tournament on the 28th , I had 3 boats come into my waters (within 10 yards of my boat) that were also in the tournament I was fishing. They saw we were on the smallies and kept creeping closer and closer. A 4th boat, saw my marker buoy and would not come any closer than that (over 100 yards away). We were fishing back and forth between 2 points. It just goes to show that some people could care less about anyone else, and some people respect others.

Randy, I think what you did was awesome, and the guys got what they deserved. It would have been even more funny if you followed them all day, they would have probably broke down completely though. Oh well, i just wish there was more respect out there.

Chris

Chris
Jun 29
When I mentioned "We" should stand up and think about others I was referring to the tournament and recreational fisherman as a whole, not just ROFB or any of its participants . (I re-read it after I posted and saw how that comment could be misinterpreted).

Chris

Chris
Jun 29
I agree with Bob, the proper etiquette would be for the tournament fishermen to ask if you mind if they fish through there. I know Randy personally and we've fished in a tournament together. I believe that if they asked he would gladly have moved aside, or at least allowed them to fish around him without conflict. As a tournament fisherman, I cant understand why they didn't just ask Randy if they could fish there. Common courtesy!

Rich P

Rich
Jun 29
Unfortunately, Common Courtesy is not so common any longer. Some days, I think that a shot below the waterline is all that some people understand. Steve
Jun 29
You should have kept jumping ahead of him every time he tried to fish. Fishing a tournament does not give you the right to be an asshole. Ronnie
Jun 29
I also would have been ticked, but would just have moved on, I'm an old man and not much bothers me. I'm from N. CA and our lakes are busy on week-ends, when someone is fishing a good looking bank or other area just how much room should they be given? One city block, 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile this has always puzzled me. I ask the guys if they mind if I can cut in front of them for a couple of blocks and they never do mind. Out here you are always cutting in front of someone or someone in front of you. Just the nature of the beast.

sket

sket
Jun 29
On further consideration, always carry a pen and paper with you. If something like that happens, make a big show of writing down the boat description and registration numbers, then tell them "see you at the weigh-in. I am sure your tournament has rules about this."

Even if you don't show up they will probalby worry so much the rest of the day they won't be able to catch fish.

Ronnie
Jun 29
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:29:55 -0400, Ronnie Garrison Eric
Jun 29
Back when I was "The Float tube King" this was a common occurance. I would just put a freon horn under the water and let a couple of long blasts loose. Eventually word got around about the nut in the float tube and I was left alone. Bill P, =
Jun 29
I've given up 'serious' tournament fishing, but have 35 years of experience at it that includes every level from club tourneys to the BASS Invitationals, and have a couple thoughts on this issue.

An awful lot of tournament anglers -- I'd even go so far as to say it's a majority of them -- seem to think that being in a tournament gives them some extra rights on the water over the recreational angler. The more 'casual' that angler appears to be, the more they act as if it's their God given right to ignore his presence. Personally, I've always felt the opposite. The tourney angler should give the recreational angler the right of way, so to speak.

Truth be told though, I've had recreational anglers as well as tourney anglers do this to me. It's not acceptable behavior no matter who is doing it.

By leapfrogging him and cutting him off, you kind of stooped to his level. By catching a fish in front of him, you could have torqued him off to dangerous levels. Like the several other of the old timers here, I'd be more inclined these days to avoid confrontation. But I'd have tried my damndest to catch one BEHIND him, then remarked to no-one in particular that guys who can't catch 'em in the first place probably shouldn't be in tourneys.

I also thought Ronnie's suggestion was quite good. Kind of like the one I used in a "situation" with a property owner who had set out "private swimming area" buoys in front of his house. I was fishing down the bank when he came out and started yelling at me for fishing in a "marked swimming area". It's illegal in CT to put out any kind of buoy without a permit from the state. Of course none of these yahoos actually have permits. So I got out my camera and took a couple pictures of the buoys, and told him that the permit # is supposed to be prominently displayed on them (which I kind of made up on the spot. Not sure that the actual reg says about that), and asked him for the permit number. He threatened to call the marine patrol, and I said, "Good, it'll save me the trouble." He went back inside, then came out on his deck with a cell phone in his hand, and stood there for a few minutes. Never made a call. Just went back inside eventually.

RichZ
Jun 29
I think that should of been about the time you got out your "heavy current catfish rig". You know, the one with the spark plug sinker and chucked it as hard as you could at em. Then when one of em is in the water unconsious and drowning you could of said "Oops, looks like you got in my way. Sorry :)". imis_idora
Jun 30
I'll second that! Charles
Jun 30
You were right. First come first served tourney or not. GrayGhostYankee
Jul 1
ABSOLUTELY!!!! (good on ya!) You don't want to know what I do!!! ;-)) Evil sh!t man! .. --  Steve Steve
Jul 1
   

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